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sc94597 said:

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For starters, Washington D.C has the highest homicide rate in the country and only recently allowed handguns. Meanwhile, New Hampshire has some of the most lenient gun policies and at the same time has the lowest homicide rates, comparable to Switzerland (which also has strong gun rights.) 

I don't want to get into that argument. I'm not actually interested in whether murder rates are up or down with gun laws.

But it has been made quite clear that the police aren't here to protect us in the U.S, or at least they're not obligated to. This has been stated in dozens of court cases since 1870. As long as we have guns, it's fine with me. 

Well then, the police should be fixed and not guns.

I love articles like these when the vulnerable protect themselves, when otherwise they could not. 

They're newsworthy because so few of them happen.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/23/12-year-old-girl-shoots-home-intruder/

Anyway, should we ban cars? There are about three times more deaths by care per year than gun deaths. In fact, why not go back to prohibition? Drunk drivers kill 25,000 people per year! 

If cars did nothing but kill people, yes. Since they have dual uses, it becomes an individual responsibility. But guns? Carrying in public has literally one outcome: someone being hurt. Having them for hunting or shooting practice can be reasonably controlled without that.

As a citizen of a free nation, and as a constiutent of  peoples who employ the government, I'll fight to the last breath for every single one of my constiutional rights, including the second ammendment, but also others which are being infringed upon by our current, oversized Federal government, like due process of law, in example. 

You're confusing the Constitution with morality. What if the consitution is wrong?

Also what does government size have to do with morality? There is an extremely simple fix for government misconduct - release fucking everything. Absolutely every email, document, minutes or file needs to be public.





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I don't want to get into that argument. I'm not actually interested in whether murder rates are up or down with gun laws.

Why not? Isn't that the major point for gun control: a strong correlation between decreased crime rates and gun legislation?

Well then, the police should be fixed and not guns.

The police work how they're intended to work. They're loyalties are with the government, which is restricted by the constitution. This doesn't mean they have any direct obligation to the people, though. Guns should also work how they were intended. 

They're newsworthy because so few of them happen.

I think it's more accurate to say they're newsworthy because few of them are reported by the national media. I see them at least once every few months here in Pennsylvania. Especially old ladies protecting themselves from "thugs." 

If cars did nothing but kill people, yes. Since they have dual uses, it becomes an individual responsibility. But guns? Carrying in public has literally one outcome: someone being hurt. Having them for hunting or shooting practice can be reasonably controlled without that.

Despite what you might think, guns act as a deterrent rather than a weapon. If somebody has a gun, they don't necessary have to shoot it. Furthermore, the presence of guns makes the job of a criminal so much harder, as they're unpredictable targets (the people.) 

You're confusing the Constitution with morality. What if the consitution is wrong?

Morality can be misleading. Five-hundred years ago the protestant sects said it was moral to burn witches. For a constitutional republic, the constitution is key to restricting the government from abusing the people, and hence when discussing politics and legislature, it's the key document in which we must follow. Otherwise we'd fall into a mobocracy, oligarchy, or anarchy. Republics are nice things, but we always have to be vigilant in maintaining them. 

Also what does government size have to do with morality? There is an extremely simple fix for government misconduct - release fucking everything. Absolutely every email, document, minutes or file needs to be public.

If a government is powerful enough that's not possible. The federal government of the U.S is one of the most powerful of the world and it constantly impedes on the rights of the autonomous states and peoples, when it has the support to do so. I won't let the freedom given to me by my forefathers fall so gently. I suppose it only makes sense to Americans and constitutionalists though. 







Just a few within the last month or so. 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/granny-get-your-gun-65-year-old-woman-thwarts-robbery-using-her-handgun/

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/ohio-homeowner-shoots-and-kills-burglar-who-also-broke-into-neighboring-apartment/

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/tx-homeowner-shoots-knife-wielding-home-invader-while-on-the-phone-with-911/

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/video/video-81-year-old-detroit-man-fights-off-intruder-with-antique-22-revolver/

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/video/video-texas-store-clerk-shoots-knife-wielding-armed-robber-on-crime-spree/

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/kansas-homeowner-forced-to-shoot-intruder-after-being-attacked/

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/ca-homeowner-shoots-daytime-burglar-multiple-times-in-the-chest/

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/homeowner-in-ca-opens-fire-on-three-burglars/

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/burglary-suspect-in-texas-calls-911-calls-for-help-as-homeowner-held-him-at-gunpoint/

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/tx-homeowner-shoots-and-captures-knife-wielding-daytime-burglar/

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/fl-teenager-shoots-kills-abusive-father-as-he-choked-and-beat-teens-mother/

http://gunssavelives.net/blog/gun-laws/kansas-concealed-carriers-commit-fewer-crimes-than-other-citizens/

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/disabled-veteran-in-ok-shot-man-who-was-breaking-into-his-home/

 

All in the last month. 

 

 



killerzX said:
gamelover2000 said:
ninetailschris said:
gamelover2000 said:

 

 I life in a country that is pretty much better in every way possible as the United States.

netherlands...lol.

 people will die because that is all guns do: Kill people.

thats weird, because my Ak-47, Glock 19, SCAR-17s, Ruger 10-22 are all laying beside me rights now. and none of them are moving and trying to kill me or anybody else. in fact my guns have never even moved or fired with out somebody actually using them. maybe i should ask for a refund, my gins seem defective, they dont shoot and kill own their own. but i do use them frequently, have shot thousands of rounds them them, and shocking they havent killed a single person, let alone an animal. its crazy how is this possible. no one has been killed by them. they must be broken.




I am sorry are you daft?

 

People who say guns don't kill people apparently do not understand that human beings aren't capable of firing bullets on their own.

Shooting guns as a hobby and having them for military purposes as a country is completely justifiable to me. giving everyone a gun to carry is not. wether you like it or not you can't seriously think that is a good idea. if your area is really so bad that you feel walking outside without a fire arm to protect you is impossible you are either paranoid or living in a VERY bad neighbourhood.



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