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spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
Or for the short version.

Corporations can be reasonably trusted so long as the press or politicians are doing there jobs.

If neither are... I don't see how giving the incompetent people more power because they failed at their job is a good idea.

This is why I think the 3rd parties out there need to come together on a common goal. Transparency, getting money out of politics and bring the power back to the people

I don't think it's money in poltics that's a problem.

It's specific bribery.

There are two main lines of thought when the effect of campaign financing is measured.

1) You need a "Ceratin threshold" of funds, and after that, there is no real effect.

2)  There is an effect, but mostly only for challengers who still need to get there positions out. 

 

Though either way... why would you want more power in the hands of people who are less accountable... I can't see why.  To me, more government control means more corruption and more bribes, because they now have a lot more to barter with.

Don't be surprised if insurance company products go through the roof if ACA is passed....

and health insurance still costs more, with claims that it "lowered the increase in spending"

ignoring thef act that healthcare cost increases were already decreasing before this whole debacle.



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Mr Khan said:

No system is perfect, but i'd rather have a guarantee of care than the "screw you, kid" i'm about to get because of Roberts, his gang of crooks, and the death-dealing American insurance companies.

Care to trade?

You don't have guarantee of care, that was my point. Did you not read the part about different hospitals providing different levels of care? and I gave you a little hint as to which areas provide the best coverage... the ones with the higher incomes.

And let's not even get into the age discrimination which is rampant in all socialized health systems.

Yes, I would trade 100%. Although, I would feel bad for you. I know, I'll immigrate when I can, anyway, and leave you to come here if you ever-so-choose.



I recently read a fantastic article

"What Soviet Medicine Teaches Us"

It was written in 2009 by somebody who worked in the Soviet Bureaucracy.

http://mises.org/daily/3650/What-Soviet-Medicine-Teaches-Us



outlawauron said:
Mr. Khan, where do you live where you're unable to get a low paying job? I'm near the same age as you and easily set up a job before graduation. I find that if college students bothered to step out of comfort zones and go to where jobs are, then you'd be surprised how it's really not that difficult.

I've tried more or less everything. As soon as they see that four year degree, it's like i might as well not even exist.



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Baalzamon said:
xwan said:

We lose about 10 years of productivity and rack up 200k of debt for being a doctor, it is NOT all glamor. it is hard work.

Yes, it is hard work.  I will agree with you on that.  Can be long hours, stressful work, etc.

But sorry, I simply cannot agree with you on it not being glamour.  Earning 200k a year for 35 years (age 30-65) will mean $7 million in earnings.  Earning $50k per year with a college degree will net you a little over $2 million in earnings in a career lasting over 40 years.

Doctors are WELL compensated (as indicated above, $5 million extra in a lifetime) for their additional schooling and hard/stressful work.

80 hour work week vs 40 hour work week.



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Mr Khan said:
outlawauron said:
Mr. Khan, where do you live where you're unable to get a low paying job? I'm near the same age as you and easily set up a job before graduation. I find that if college students bothered to step out of comfort zones and go to where jobs are, then you'd be surprised how it's really not that difficult.

I've tried more or less everything. As soon as they see that four year degree, it's like i might as well not even exist.

I really think a change of location would do wonders. While most probably don't like Louisiana, there's a boatload of jobs here. To the point where I got a job with only student worker experience before even graduating yet. (I'm graduated now, still working there and like it a  lot)

I would have some relevant information to go by, but you don't list your location and I don't know if you're still in Japan (which would be an awful idea if you're looking for a job sans teaching exchange programs).



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outlawauron said:
Mr Khan said:
outlawauron said:
Mr. Khan, where do you live where you're unable to get a low paying job? I'm near the same age as you and easily set up a job before graduation. I find that if college students bothered to step out of comfort zones and go to where jobs are, then you'd be surprised how it's really not that difficult.

I've tried more or less everything. As soon as they see that four year degree, it's like i might as well not even exist.

I really think a change of location would do wonders. While most probably don't like Louisiana, there's a boatload of jobs here. To the point where I got a job with only student worker experience before even graduating yet. (I'm graduated now, still working there and like it a  lot)

I would have some relevant information to go by, but you don't list your location and I don't know if you're still in Japan (which would be an awful idea if you're looking for a job sans teaching exchange programs).

Nah, i'm in western PA, and the full time work i'm looking at is mostly in DC (phone interview today with a group from Boston). Teaching Exchange is my fallback plan, if i don't have a job by the time the Japanese schoolyear starts, which would be next April. Of course, Japan wouldn't be an issue in this particular case because they have universal healthcare, even for people on student visas.



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spaceguy said:
Jexy said:
What Kasz216 said.

Also, el oh el to the guy who trusts the government to regulate things over the private sector.

also to add to that. Gov. give you your safe working enviroment, your 40 hour work week rather then 60, Over time. Better pay and many things you seem to think is not right. So if you think this is not right then go to mexico where you make sh-t and work non stop, have sh-tty working habits and get paid nothing. Thats what the gov does for you. It helps you make the money you should be, even though we now are getting paid the least amount we have made per person since the 1930's. Sure products are cheaper but rent and survival is sky high. While the rich guy you don't want to regulate doesn't pay anything in tax's and push's things through the gov. to pay you less and give you less. So thats awsome you want to get rid of all that. WOW the people on the internet are so fun.

Said the crazy guy.  Yeah, Mexico rules right now... or ever... because of it's government.  Good call on that.  Also, that's why all the government workers are losing their jobs faster than everyone else... because they are sucking up way too much money and not providing enough.  Most gov workers are not police or firemen... they are paper pushers who get paid too much to do their job when you add in health care compared to the rest of society.  That is why governers can slash their benefits and jobs, and still win a recall election despite all the opposition.  Tough times, and tough measures for all.  That's why many think they are leachers.  Especially when you have crap like the GSA not only wasting other people's hard earned money, but then laughing about it basically to their faces by making videos about it.  So... you want to live like they did in the 1930's?  Go ahead bro.  I'm sure you'll enjoy all the medicine the private sector didn't create by then among other things you take for granted.  Because people weren't dirt poor then or anything after the great depression and before WWII. 

Sure landing a cushy government job is nice, but it's also nice to earn your money as well.  Not waste taxpayers dollars.  Look at what is happening to much of Europe right now.  That's because they don't do any work there, don't make anything of worth, and just fed off the government tit for too long until uh oh... no more money left..... and then it all comes crashing down.  But seriously, if you really believe that, then I will feel shame for you. 



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Mr Khan said:
outlawauron said:
Mr Khan said:
outlawauron said:
Mr. Khan, where do you live where you're unable to get a low paying job? I'm near the same age as you and easily set up a job before graduation. I find that if college students bothered to step out of comfort zones and go to where jobs are, then you'd be surprised how it's really not that difficult.

I've tried more or less everything. As soon as they see that four year degree, it's like i might as well not even exist.

I really think a change of location would do wonders. While most probably don't like Louisiana, there's a boatload of jobs here. To the point where I got a job with only student worker experience before even graduating yet. (I'm graduated now, still working there and like it a  lot)

I would have some relevant information to go by, but you don't list your location and I don't know if you're still in Japan (which would be an awful idea if you're looking for a job sans teaching exchange programs).

Nah, i'm in western PA, and the full time work i'm looking at is mostly in DC (phone interview today with a group from Boston). Teaching Exchange is my fallback plan, if i don't have a job by the time the Japanese schoolyear starts, which would be next April. Of course, Japan wouldn't be an issue in this particular case because they have universal healthcare, even for people on student visas.

Tons of job openings here in AZ as well man.  Easy to get one.  Or two.  And they want college degrees for many of them.  Look all over the place and at everything.  It's not too hard to find one if you leave your options open.



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I always laugh when Americans say the Canadian Health Care system is bad. Those big corporations have you brainwashed.



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