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disolitude on 12 April 2012
Soleron said:

We've seen it time and time again in electronics, there is only room for two or three competitors in a hardware business. Samsung and Apple have #1 and #2 tied up. The rest of the market is too small to support LG, Motorola, Sony, Nokia, RIM and others, so some of them have to die.

Nokia was stupid to give up their independent decision making to MS. I don't know which choice of Android, WP7 ( and don't forget MeeGo!)  would have worked, but they got an executive handcuffed to MS and now they have no freedom to change their situation even if they could think of a solution. MS got a much better deal than Nokia did, WP7 would be dead if they didn't have them.

I think MeeGo could have worked. It was cool.

I think MeeGo could have worked in a cool, open source kind of way for a small start up company but not Nokia. Also I disagree that Nokia gave up any decision making to Microsoft. They have a partnership which to me makes a lot of sense and thats about it. If Microsoft was calling the shots you wouldn't be seeing a 41 megapixel revolutionary camera technology on a Symbian platform.

Off topic - Lumia 900 is wonderful. As someone that has had nearly dozen smartphones at my disposal in the last couple of years I find the Lumia 900 the only phone that feels as premium as the iPhone 4/4s in terms of build quality. However it  feels much more durable than the iPhone at the same time. Nokia exclusive apps are also very useful unlike Samsung, LG and HTC apps which I've seen on their phones. Even the rediculously low price aside, there really is no point for anyone interested in a Windows Phone to buy anything else for the time being. I feel sorry for the HTC Titan II...



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dallas on 13 April 2012
disolitude said:
Soleron said:

We've seen it time and time again in electronics, there is only room for two or three competitors in a hardware business. Samsung and Apple have #1 and #2 tied up. The rest of the market is too small to support LG, Motorola, Sony, Nokia, RIM and others, so some of them have to die.

Nokia was stupid to give up their independent decision making to MS. I don't know which choice of Android, WP7 ( and don't forget MeeGo!)  would have worked, but they got an executive handcuffed to MS and now they have no freedom to change their situation even if they could think of a solution. MS got a much better deal than Nokia did, WP7 would be dead if they didn't have them.

I think MeeGo could have worked. It was cool.

I think MeeGo could have worked in a cool, open source kind of way for a small start up company but not Nokia. Also I disagree that Nokia gave up any decision making to Microsoft. They have a partnership which to me makes a lot of sense and thats about it. If Microsoft was calling the shots you wouldn't be seeing a 41 megapixel revolutionary camera technology on a Symbian platform.

Off topic - Lumia 900 is wonderful. As someone that has had nearly dozen smartphones at my disposal in the last couple of years I find the Lumia 900 the only phone that feels as premium as the iPhone 4/4s in terms of build quality. However it  feels much more durable than the iPhone at the same time. Nokia exclusive apps are also very useful unlike Samsung, LG and HTC apps which I've seen on their phones. Even the rediculously low price aside, there really is no point for anyone interested in a Windows Phone to buy anything else for the time being. I feel sorry for the HTC Titan II...


Nokia has about 10 apps lol, quitmstuffing the turkey

 

Revolutionary camera? lol, basically everybody agreed in the thread on that phone that thie camera feature was all about marketing, looks like it worked on you



Zlejedi on 13 April 2012
disolitude said:
Soleron said:

We've seen it time and time again in electronics, there is only room for two or three competitors in a hardware business. Samsung and Apple have #1 and #2 tied up. The rest of the market is too small to support LG, Motorola, Sony, Nokia, RIM and others, so some of them have to die.

Nokia was stupid to give up their independent decision making to MS. I don't know which choice of Android, WP7 ( and don't forget MeeGo!)  would have worked, but they got an executive handcuffed to MS and now they have no freedom to change their situation even if they could think of a solution. MS got a much better deal than Nokia did, WP7 would be dead if they didn't have them.

I think MeeGo could have worked. It was cool.

I think MeeGo could have worked in a cool, open source kind of way for a small start up company but not Nokia. Also I disagree that Nokia gave up any decision making to Microsoft. They have a partnership which to me makes a lot of sense and thats about it. If Microsoft was calling the shots you wouldn't be seeing a 41 megapixel revolutionary camera technology on a Symbian platform.

Off topic - Lumia 900 is wonderful. As someone that has had nearly dozen smartphones at my disposal in the last couple of years I find the Lumia 900 the only phone that feels as premium as the iPhone 4/4s in terms of build quality. However it  feels much more durable than the iPhone at the same time. Nokia exclusive apps are also very useful unlike Samsung, LG and HTC apps which I've seen on their phones. Even the rediculously low price aside, there really is no point for anyone interested in a Windows Phone to buy anything else for the time being. I feel sorry for the HTC Titan II...

It's also extremly expensive so it's fightning apple war - compared to this android has some high end models but also really cheap stuff opening smartphones to much broader market.

If Microsoft wants to increase marketshare they need cheap windows phones asap.



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disolitude on 13 April 2012
dallas said:
disolitude said:

I think MeeGo could have worked in a cool, open source kind of way for a small start up company but not Nokia. Also I disagree that Nokia gave up any decision making to Microsoft. They have a partnership which to me makes a lot of sense and thats about it. If Microsoft was calling the shots you wouldn't be seeing a 41 megapixel revolutionary camera technology on a Symbian platform.

Off topic - Lumia 900 is wonderful. As someone that has had nearly dozen smartphones at my disposal in the last couple of years I find the Lumia 900 the only phone that feels as premium as the iPhone 4/4s in terms of build quality. However it  feels much more durable than the iPhone at the same time. Nokia exclusive apps are also very useful unlike Samsung, LG and HTC apps which I've seen on their phones. Even the rediculously low price aside, there really is no point for anyone interested in a Windows Phone to buy anything else for the time being. I feel sorry for the HTC Titan II...


Nokia has about 10 apps lol, quitmstuffing the turkey

 

Revolutionary camera? lol, basically everybody agreed in the thread on that phone that thie camera feature was all about marketing, looks like it worked on you

Until you learn how to read and comprehend what you've read, we can't have an intelligent discussion.



Train wreck on 13 April 2012

Nokia CDS currently stands at 490 and its stock is down another 5% today after dropping the last two. At the current pace, i would not be surprised if they will be bankrupt or bought out in a years time

I am sure that their dividend will be cut or suspended as it tries to shore up capital. their burn rate must be atrocious, even with msft giving them 250 million.

I don't know why people are touting Lumia sales. Nokia themselves said that their 2nd quarter will be worse then their first, and thats with the Lumia being on the US market for 3 months.



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disolitude on 13 April 2012
Train wreck said:
I don't know why people are touting Lumia sales. Nokia themselves said that their 2nd quarter will be worse then their first, and thats with the Lumia being on the US market for 3 months.


In the last few years Nokia sold 15-30 million smartphones per year and 100+ million 'feature' phones. Even though the smartphones yeild a higher profit they count for less than 50% of the revenue.

We will see what the numbers are to know for sure, but Lumia sales + symbian smartphones sales should add up to 15 million. If they don't, Lumia is underperforming.

Their feature phones however are tanking. This is why they are in the position they are in. They revised their sales form 100 million to 70 million which is a massive drop.



dallas on 13 April 2012
disolitude said:
dallas said:
disolitude said:

I think MeeGo could have worked in a cool, open source kind of way for a small start up company but not Nokia. Also I disagree that Nokia gave up any decision making to Microsoft. They have a partnership which to me makes a lot of sense and thats about it. If Microsoft was calling the shots you wouldn't be seeing a 41 megapixel revolutionary camera technology on a Symbian platform.

Off topic - Lumia 900 is wonderful. As someone that has had nearly dozen smartphones at my disposal in the last couple of years I find the Lumia 900 the only phone that feels as premium as the iPhone 4/4s in terms of build quality. However it  feels much more durable than the iPhone at the same time. Nokia exclusive apps are also very useful unlike Samsung, LG and HTC apps which I've seen on their phones. Even the rediculously low price aside, there really is no point for anyone interested in a Windows Phone to buy anything else for the time being. I feel sorry for the HTC Titan II...


Nokia has about 10 apps lol, quitmstuffing the turkey

 

Revolutionary camera? lol, basically everybody agreed in the thread on that phone that thie camera feature was all about marketing, looks like it worked on you

Until you learn how to read and comprehend what you've read, we can't have an intelligent discussion.


Well, I was exaggerating, but the point remains.  Msft just doesn't have the marketshare to attract too many developers unless they money hat the heck out of them.  See if you can find a highbrow response to that.