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disolitude said:
famousringo said:


False. Time to check your preconceptions.

Two years after WIndows 7 was released, Microsoft boasted it had sold nearly 450 million copies of the software. That works out to 616,000 copies a day.

Android announced in December that daily activations had exceeded 700,000.

In Apple's latest financials, they reported selling 57.6 million combined iPhones, iPads and Macs (iPods excluded because I'm too lazy to track down how many are Touch models. It's more than enough to make up for the Macs, I know that). That works out to 636,000 devices per day.

Welcome to the post-PC era. Android and iOS are already bigger than Windows and still growing rapidly. Windows isn't even growing at all. This is why Microsoft is so desperately trying to transform their desktop OS into a tablet OS.

I could argue your math or the fact you are only looking at this moment right now, after Windows 7 has been on the market for almost 3 years and is in its decline. Or I could just post an article explaining my point...http://gizmodo.com/5878036/microsoft-sells-more-windows-7-than-every-mac-ios-and-android-device-combined

I am fully aware of the post PC era and the cash grab behind it btw. I spent most of this week working on monetizing video ads on an iOS app. And guess which OS I had to use to do this...

I did not look at WIndows 7 as of right now, I looked at lifetime sales of the product. This seemed to be the best measure because the PC market isn't growing and I don't have good information on the sales curve of Windows 7. Thanks for the new information.. The number I used before was earlier and not part of an earnings release,  so average sales per day of Windows is actually more like 640,000.

I did look at recent sales of iOS and Android because those platforms are growing rapidly, between 50% and 100% per year. Looking at iOS starting from fall 2009 as your linked factoid does is misleading because it discounts these enormous growth rates by averaging out todays iOS and Android markets with a time when Android activations were one tenth the current rate.

That's like comparing cumulative game console sales from all generations between Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft and concluding that the Xbox really isn't very important while the Playstation is killing it. You're letting historical patterns interfere with your view of the current landscape.

Windows may be a killer brand in desktop computing, but after several expensive attempts has utterly failed to make a lasting impression on mobile computing. Xbox, on the other hand, after a couple expensive attempts, has established itself as a fairly strong brand in its market. There's a lesson here.



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disolitude said:
Slimebeast said:

I want it to but the cold hard truth is that Windows Phone will never take on. When people have a choice they won't pick something with Windows in it because Windows just doesn't sound modern and interesting, it sounds old and it's forever associated with hassle and frustration.

This is assuming that everyone using computers couldn't figure out how to install drivers using Windows 98...and now is butthurt on anything "Windows".

Luckily I was not one of these people. All I know is that HTC Titan Windows Phone is awesome and absolutely no one in Canada has it or knows it exists since it was never sold here. Feels good to have something this good that no one can even buy. :)


But you would think that a popular phone would be better.  WinPho is apparently becoming the hipster choice now, where you can in all likelyhood be the only one you know using the platform



RIM released its financials, both rev and income are off horribly from a year ago.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/blackberry-maker-cede-most-consumer-markets-212256855.html



dallas said:
disolitude said:
Slimebeast said:

I want it to but the cold hard truth is that Windows Phone will never take on. When people have a choice they won't pick something with Windows in it because Windows just doesn't sound modern and interesting, it sounds old and it's forever associated with hassle and frustration.

This is assuming that everyone using computers couldn't figure out how to install drivers using Windows 98...and now is butthurt on anything "Windows".

Luckily I was not one of these people. All I know is that HTC Titan Windows Phone is awesome and absolutely no one in Canada has it or knows it exists since it was never sold here. Feels good to have something this good that no one can even buy. :)


But you would think that a popular phone would be better.  WinPho is apparently becoming the hipster choice now, where you can in all likely hood be the only one you know using the platform

There are too many holes in the... 'its more popular, it must be better'...theory for me to even bother arguing its relevance.



disolitude said:
famousringo said:
disolitude said:
famousringo said:

I don't think this is the biggest problem with WinPho, but I agree it is a problem. Ballmer thinks Windows is a really powerful brand. Maybe it is in corporate IT, but as you say it comes with a lot of negative baggage in the mind of the consumer.

Ballmer needs to let go of this vision of Windows everywhere. If he'd been running things ten years ago, the Xbox might have been called "Microsoft Windows Home Standard Entertainment Edition."

I disagree. Windows is the Microsoft operating system and a proven brand. No reasons to change it. Windows brand sells more devices per year than iOS, Chrome, Andorid and Mac do combined.

 


False. Time to check your preconceptions.

Two years after WIndows 7 was released, Microsoft boasted it had sold nearly 450 million copies of the software. That works out to 616,000 copies a day.

Android announced in December that daily activations had exceeded 700,000.

In Apple's latest financials, they reported selling 57.6 million combined iPhones, iPads and Macs (iPods excluded because I'm too lazy to track down how many are Touch models. It's more than enough to make up for the Macs, I know that). That works out to 636,000 devices per day.

Welcome to the post-PC era. Android and iOS are already bigger than Windows and still growing rapidly. Windows isn't even growing at all. This is why Microsoft is so desperately trying to transform their desktop OS into a tablet OS.

I could argue your math or the fact you are only looking at this moment right now, after Windows 7 has been on the market for almost 3 years and is in its decline. Or I could just post an article explaining my point...http://gizmodo.com/5878036/microsoft-sells-more-windows-7-than-every-mac-ios-and-android-device-combined

I am fully aware of the post PC era and the cash grab behind it btw. I spent most of this week working on monetizing video ads on an iOS app. And guess which OS I had to use to do this...

i think you hit the nail on the head with that one...windows sells but not out of desire.  i have to use windows at work.  at home where i have a choice, i use IOs.  what MS should be worried about is my company just recently decided to allow people to use IOs instead of windows now.  ...look what happened to blackberry once companies started accepting the iphone as an acceptable choice for smartphones. once MS has to stand on merit instead of momentum they are going to loose to apple.  



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kitler53 said:
disolitude said:
famousringo said:
disolitude said:
famousringo said:

I don't think this is the biggest problem with WinPho, but I agree it is a problem. Ballmer thinks Windows is a really powerful brand. Maybe it is in corporate IT, but as you say it comes with a lot of negative baggage in the mind of the consumer.

Ballmer needs to let go of this vision of Windows everywhere. If he'd been running things ten years ago, the Xbox might have been called "Microsoft Windows Home Standard Entertainment Edition."

I disagree. Windows is the Microsoft operating system and a proven brand. No reasons to change it. Windows brand sells more devices per year than iOS, Chrome, Andorid and Mac do combined.

 


False. Time to check your preconceptions.

Two years after WIndows 7 was released, Microsoft boasted it had sold nearly 450 million copies of the software. That works out to 616,000 copies a day.

Android announced in December that daily activations had exceeded 700,000.

In Apple's latest financials, they reported selling 57.6 million combined iPhones, iPads and Macs (iPods excluded because I'm too lazy to track down how many are Touch models. It's more than enough to make up for the Macs, I know that). That works out to 636,000 devices per day.

Welcome to the post-PC era. Android and iOS are already bigger than Windows and still growing rapidly. Windows isn't even growing at all. This is why Microsoft is so desperately trying to transform their desktop OS into a tablet OS.

I could argue your math or the fact you are only looking at this moment right now, after Windows 7 has been on the market for almost 3 years and is in its decline. Or I could just post an article explaining my point...http://gizmodo.com/5878036/microsoft-sells-more-windows-7-than-every-mac-ios-and-android-device-combined

I am fully aware of the post PC era and the cash grab behind it btw. I spent most of this week working on monetizing video ads on an iOS app. And guess which OS I had to use to do this...

i think you hit the nail on the head with that one...windows sells but not out of desire.  i have to use windows at work.  at home where i have a choice, i use IOs.  what MS should be worried about is my company just recently decided to allow people to use IOs instead of windows now.  ...look what happened to blackberry once companies started accepting the iphone as an acceptable choice for smartphones. once MS has to stand on merit instead of momentum they are going to loose to apple.  

Does your company work in the finger paint or pinch to zoom industry sector? If so then I understand why they are replacing windows machines with ios devices. You do realize that iOS isnt a self sufficient ecosystem though. You cant make an iOS app with an iOS device.

I actually dont believe you that any company would consider switching windows based machines for iOS devices. There are so many things you cant do in iOS that most busenssea need their employees to do...they would be completely bonkers to do this. Maybe an iPad to compliment a real computer OS, but never a substitute.



The US market is dominated by Andriod and Apple. Windows 7 Phone has seen slight increases worldwide, but the next few months will be really important for it. Nokia releases the flagship Lumia 900 phone in the Us in April; they are making a big push and sparing little expense. Its success in the US will probably be a slow uphill climb.

Worldwide should be a slightly different story. Nokia is a lot stronger outside the US. Worldwide, I believe WP7 will make strides in the coming months, as the number of Windows 7 Phone devices increase. As of right now, there are just so many Android options compared to the others. Apple, well they release a minor upgraded device every year and people eat it up. The profit margin on each device is suppose to be pretty high so if worse comes to worse they can offer a lot of different deals, if it was needed. Time will tell.



disolitude said:
kitler53 said:
disolitude said:
famousringo said:
disolitude said:
famousringo said:

I don't think this is the biggest problem with WinPho, but I agree it is a problem. Ballmer thinks Windows is a really powerful brand. Maybe it is in corporate IT, but as you say it comes with a lot of negative baggage in the mind of the consumer.

Ballmer needs to let go of this vision of Windows everywhere. If he'd been running things ten years ago, the Xbox might have been called "Microsoft Windows Home Standard Entertainment Edition."

I disagree. Windows is the Microsoft operating system and a proven brand. No reasons to change it. Windows brand sells more devices per year than iOS, Chrome, Andorid and Mac do combined.

 


False. Time to check your preconceptions.

Two years after WIndows 7 was released, Microsoft boasted it had sold nearly 450 million copies of the software. That works out to 616,000 copies a day.

Android announced in December that daily activations had exceeded 700,000.

In Apple's latest financials, they reported selling 57.6 million combined iPhones, iPads and Macs (iPods excluded because I'm too lazy to track down how many are Touch models. It's more than enough to make up for the Macs, I know that). That works out to 636,000 devices per day.

Welcome to the post-PC era. Android and iOS are already bigger than Windows and still growing rapidly. Windows isn't even growing at all. This is why Microsoft is so desperately trying to transform their desktop OS into a tablet OS.

I could argue your math or the fact you are only looking at this moment right now, after Windows 7 has been on the market for almost 3 years and is in its decline. Or I could just post an article explaining my point...http://gizmodo.com/5878036/microsoft-sells-more-windows-7-than-every-mac-ios-and-android-device-combined

I am fully aware of the post PC era and the cash grab behind it btw. I spent most of this week working on monetizing video ads on an iOS app. And guess which OS I had to use to do this...

i think you hit the nail on the head with that one...windows sells but not out of desire.  i have to use windows at work.  at home where i have a choice, i use IOs.  what MS should be worried about is my company just recently decided to allow people to use IOs instead of windows now.  ...look what happened to blackberry once companies started accepting the iphone as an acceptable choice for smartphones. once MS has to stand on merit instead of momentum they are going to loose to apple.  

Does your company work in the finger paint or pinch to zoom industry sector? If so then I understand why they are replacing windows machines with ios devices. You do realize that iOS isnt a self sufficient ecosystem though. You cant make an iOS app with an iOS device.

I actually dont believe you that any company would consider switching windows based machines for iOS devices. There are so many things you cant do in iOS that most busenssea need their employees to do...they would be completely bonkers to do this. Maybe an iPad to compliment a real computer OS, but never a substitute.

I assume he meant Windows Phones, likely of the Windows Mobile not Phone 7 variety. Or maybe he meant Mac OS? If he meant replacing PCs with iOS iPads I would be a bit surprised, although I'm sure in some fields that might work.



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disolitude said:
kitler53 said:
disolitude said:
famousringo said:
...


False. Time to check your preconceptions.

Two years after WIndows 7 was released, Microsoft boasted it had sold nearly 450 million copies of the software. That works out to 616,000 copies a day.

Android announced in December that daily activations had exceeded 700,000.

In Apple's latest financials, they reported selling 57.6 million combined iPhones, iPads and Macs (iPods excluded because I'm too lazy to track down how many are Touch models. It's more than enough to make up for the Macs, I know that). That works out to 636,000 devices per day.

Welcome to the post-PC era. Android and iOS are already bigger than Windows and still growing rapidly. Windows isn't even growing at all. This is why Microsoft is so desperately trying to transform their desktop OS into a tablet OS.

I could argue your math or the fact you are only looking at this moment right now, after Windows 7 has been on the market for almost 3 years and is in its decline. Or I could just post an article explaining my point...http://gizmodo.com/5878036/microsoft-sells-more-windows-7-than-every-mac-ios-and-android-device-combined

I am fully aware of the post PC era and the cash grab behind it btw. I spent most of this week working on monetizing video ads on an iOS app. And guess which OS I had to use to do this...

i think you hit the nail on the head with that one...windows sells but not out of desire.  i have to use windows at work.  at home where i have a choice, i use IOs.  what MS should be worried about is my company just recently decided to allow people to use IOs instead of windows now.  ...look what happened to blackberry once companies started accepting the iphone as an acceptable choice for smartphones. once MS has to stand on merit instead of momentum they are going to loose to apple.  

Does your company work in the finger paint or pinch to zoom industry sector? If so then I understand why they are replacing windows machines with ios devices. You do realize that iOS isnt a self sufficient ecosystem though. You cant make an iOS app with an iOS device.

I actually dont believe you that any company would consider switching windows based machines for iOS devices. There are so many things you cant do in iOS that most busenssea need their employees to do...they would be completely bonkers to do this. Maybe an iPad to compliment a real computer OS, but never a substitute.

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And what your missing is what computers are being used for now in business.  Excel, PowerPoint, and Internet based applications is nearlye 100% of what engineers do and apple is able to do all of those.  and it's not a complete switch, it's now a choice employees are allowed to make.  which btw since you mentioned it, ipads are in the process of being approved and iphone was approved about a year ago.



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disolitude said:
famousringo said:
Slimebeast said:

I want it to but the cold hard truth is that Windows Phone will never take on. When people have a choice they won't pick something with Windows in it because Windows just doesn't sound modern and interesting, it sounds old and it's forever associated with hassle and frustration.


I don't think this is the biggest problem with WinPho, but I agree it is a problem. Ballmer thinks Windows is a really powerful brand. Maybe it is in corporate IT, but as you say it comes with a lot of negative baggage in the mind of the consumer.

Ballmer needs to let go of this vision of Windows everywhere. If he'd been running things ten years ago, the Xbox might have been called "Microsoft Windows Home Standard Entertainment Edition."

I disagree. Windows is the Microsoft operating system and a proven brand. No reasons to change it. Windows brand sells more devices per year than iOS, Chrome, Andorid and Mac do combined.

 


Because people don't really have a choice when buying PC. It's is pretty much packed in by retailers in every sold computer.