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How do you feel about the way Ubisoft does business?

Smart move, Ubisoft. 28 19.31%
 
I would do the same, if I were in charge. 19 13.10%
 
Love you, Ubisoft! 7 4.83%
 
Suck it up, Nintendrones! 24 16.55%
 
Ubisoft: "Wii screw U." 67 46.21%
 
Total:145
o_O.Q on 21 July 2011
RolStoppable said:
o_O.Q said:

but this is exactly how new ideas and concepts become successful by trial and error trying something out and succeeding or failling only to change it a bit and try it again

back in the 90s nintendo attempted to release a 3d game device called the virtual boy :

 

it failed, but now years later nintendo has revised their original idea and implemented it into the 3ds in a different way and examples like this can be found all around in gaming... sure now you may say soul calibur legends was a failure a bad idea etc but i personally commend the devs on having the balls to try something new ( something that as i said before gamers are beginning to demand more and more )

 

"Soul Calibur Legends or a graphically inferior (compared to the 360/PS3 version), but still great looking Soul Calibur IV. What would you choose?"

as a new wii owner eager to try out the motion controls and hearing that soul calibur has motion for the first time after years of other soul calibur games using the same formula i'd probably be more interested in legends but i do understand your point 

I asked a simple question: What would you choose?

I want an honest answer and not some hypothesis of what you would do if you were a different person.

soul calibur 4 which i actually own



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Lostplanet22 on 21 July 2011
RolStoppable said:
o_O.Q said:
RolStoppable said:

Classic Controller support, problem solved.

is a nonstandard controller on the wii meaning that not all wii owners own one but thats not even the main issue the main issue is that the most touted feature of the wii is the controls why is a dev going to disregard them completely in a game for the wii?

Because it makes no sense to use motion controls when they break the game. Nintendo led the way with Super Smash Bros. Brawl and it didn't hurt the sales of the game in any way.

led the way? People were standing in lines to get gamecube controllers when they experienced brawl and found out that Nintendo's revolutionary motion controls idea was a pain in the ass to play with.



 

oniyide on 21 July 2011
padib said:
oniyide said:
padib said:
At the same time, though Oniyide, you have to admit that what they lose in certain features, given the same time and budget, they can invest in other things that can also bring in more immersion. An example would be Wind Waker. Granted it wouldn't give the same game, but it would be part of the same series. That's like having a movie on paperback, on DVD and on VG. One is not better than the other, just a different adaptation. I think you see what I mean.

That wouldnt suck, but it wouldnt be Assassin's Creed, so Wii owners would still not get the experience, but it would be better than nothing

I disagree there bud. I think it would be Assassin's Creed, just not Assassin's Creed HD. But if you mean it wouldn't be Assassin's Creed as in the 1st game that came out on Windows PS360, then okay yeah for sure it wouldn't be the same as that game. It would be an Assassin's Creed game though and maybe could be of better quality given other advantages. (hypothetically speaking of course)


It would be Assassin's Creed in name only, it could be good, but then some people will still complain, look at the RE and DS games, some people trashed those before they were even released. At best we would have another AC Bloodlines, the PSP game, or a complete piece of crap. And im curious, what advantages could the Wii hardware have, that couldnt be achieved on the other two consoles



oniyide on 21 July 2011
.:Dark Prince:. said:
o_O.Q said:
RolStoppable said:
o_O.Q said:

ubisoft is making an exclusive assassin's creed for wii u :

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/07/18/assassins-creed-wii-u-title-isnt-revelations/

in addition to a brand new ip exclusive to wii u

http://www.killerfreaks.com/

 

yup ubisoft does nothing but screw over nintendo gamers... 

Yes, and the Wii got exclusive Soul Calibur, Castlevania, Resident Evil and Dead Space games. Way to prove your point.

And Killer Freaks has the potential to be nothing more than the Wii U's Red Steel.

so therefore now you've aknowledged that developers did indeed throw significant effort behind the wii i must ask whats your point?

the wii could not handle the full soul calibur 4 or assassins creed or... so therefore specialised games were made exclusively for the wii in their place

"And Killer Freaks has the potential to be nothing more than the Wii U's Red Steel."

criticising a game before its been revealed properly... ok

There's an Assassin's Creed game and a Soul Calubur game on PSP. Real ones, unlike Soul Calibur Legends or whatever it was called.

And they were both weak, ok SC wasnt that bad, but it was missing alot of features that SC4 had, and i mean alot. Customizing, modes, the works.

Is that what Wii only owners want?? Weaker versions of games that were on the HD



o_O.Q on 21 July 2011
RolStoppable said:
o_O.Q said:
RolStoppable said:

I asked a simple question: What would you choose?

I want an honest answer and not some hypothesis of what you would do if you were a different person.

soul calibur 4 which i actually own

There you go. The answer is easy.

So why did you assume that Wii owners would want a craptastic game over a sequel to a game they loved?

"a sequel to a game they loved?"

your making the assuption that all gamecube owners transitioned to wii

but regardless i could easily make the comparison to for example the 3d mario game for gc super mario sunshine which used standard controls obviously meanwhile the 3d mario game for the wii mario galaxy uses the motion controls instead 

what happened is that the devs obviously looked at the new hardware and decided to go a different route with the new game but unlike legends, galaxy was accepted as a great game... but what i've been saying is that i still commend the devs for trying to be original

furthermore a point we haven't touched on at all is the fact that soul calibur had multiple entries last gen with little change between each ( this was marked as a negative against 4 also ) the wii hardware would not have allowed for the devs to show a notable improvement in the game as was shown on the HD consoles and i believe this to be another reason the devs made the choice they did



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oniyide on 21 July 2011

This is a funny argument. Wii owners will complain when the version of an HD game they get sucks, blaming it on the devs, knowing full well that the Wii isnt capable of of handling some of the things the HDs can do. Then they wonder why certain games that are on HD are not on Wii at all.



o_O.Q on 21 July 2011
oniyide said:
This is a funny argument. Wii owners will complain when the version of an HD game they get sucks, blaming it on the devs, knowing full well that the Wii isnt capable of of handling some of the things the HDs can do. Then they wonder why certain games that are on HD are not on Wii at all.

its not even that that has me baffled, its how they say that theres no originality on the HD consoles and yet when devs go for original approaches to games on the wii they complain...



o_O.Q on 21 July 2011
RolStoppable said:
o_O.Q said:

"a sequel to a game they loved?"

your making the assuption that all gamecube owners transitioned to wii

but regardless i could easily make the comparison to for example the 3d mario game for gc super mario sunshine which used standard controls obviously meanwhile the 3d mario game for the wii mario galaxy uses the motion controls instead 

what happened is that the devs obviously looked at the new hardware and decided to go a different route with the new game but unlike legends, galaxy was accepted as a great game... but what i've been saying is that i still commend the devs for trying to be original

furthermore a point we haven't touched on at all is the fact that soul calibur had multiple entries last gen with little change between each ( this was marked as a negative against 4 also ) the wii hardware would not have allowed for the devs to show a notable improvement in the game as was shown on the HD consoles and i believe this to be another reason the devs made the choice they did

And why would that be a flawed assumption? After all, the sales of Wii games that were sequels to Gamecube games by and large went up, so it isn't far fetched to assume that a majority of GC owners (not literally all of them) bought a Wii.

Soul Calibur IV would have not faced any direct competition on the Wii, so being just more of the same wouldn't have hurt it. Speaking of sales, did Soul Calibur IV underperform on the HD consoles or was the negative talk about it not much more than hot air? Looking at the numbers here on VGC, SC IV did just fine, so your argument once again doesn't seem to hold water.

"did Soul Calibur IV underperform on the HD consoles" never said so but unlike a wii version would have, it showed a step forward from soul calibur 2 maybe that contributed to its success

"Soul Calibur IV would have not faced any direct competition on the Wii" true btw my argument was never that it would have failed simply that to say that soul calibur legends shows developer negligence is uncalled for.... why if the HD versions follow the original formula and arguably do it better should the wii version do the same when the hardware is capable of taking the series in a new direction? 



Troll_Whisperer on 21 July 2011
oniyide said:
This is a funny argument. Wii owners will complain when the version of an HD game they get sucks, blaming it on the devs, knowing full well that the Wii isnt capable of of handling some of the things the HDs can do. Then they wonder why certain games that are on HD are not on Wii at all.

I can understand them. The Wii shouldn't get versions of HD games anyway. It should get its own original games. I think that's the main complain. The poor versions seem a way to capitalise on the success of the older brothers (HD versions). You rarely see 3rd companies releasing good original games on Wii. The proof is that if you look at the top 20 games on Wii, the vast majority of them are from Nintendo. The Wii should be at least capable of having games as good as PS2, GC and XB had.



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o_O.Q on 21 July 2011
RolStoppable said:
o_O.Q said:

"did Soul Calibur IV underperform on the HD consoles" never said so but unlike a wii version would have, it showed a step forward from soul calibur 2 maybe that contributed to its success

"Soul Calibur IV would have not faced any direct competition on the Wii" true btw my argument was never that it would have failed simply that to say that soul calibur legends shows developer negligence is uncalled for.... why if the HD versions follow the original formula and arguably do it better should the wii version do the same when the hardware is capable of taking the series in a new direction? 

This goes back to the original argument: Third parties decided against making good games for the Wii. Soul Calibur Legends is a prime example of this practice.

I am not sure why you still insist that Namco probably made the right decision. As I've previously said, you aren't arguing as a gamer here, but rather as a corporate shill. You try to justify the absence of SC IV on the Wii at all costs.

"Third parties decided against making good games for the Wii. Soul Calibur Legends is a prime example of this practice."

nah only if you're someone who believes original = bad 

"I am not sure why you still insist that Namco probably made the right decision"

because the point of the wii was to open up new forms of gameplay which they attempted 

"you aren't arguing as a gamer here, but rather as a corporate shill"

a true gamer wouldn't want 3 versions of a game to be exactly the same... a true gamer would embrace a developer attempting something new especially when theres a choice... anyone who didn't like legends had the option of getting it on HD consoles ( even though you disregard this fact )... what you're arguing is that there should be no options and everything must be the same