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...time and again, you keep changing your stance Monty - and then you wonder why your numbers don't add up?!?!? Yesterday - you were in agreement that 4.9 million consoles were sold in the US. Today, you post a link to an analyst's "estimate" and now claim that 5.1 million were sold. That's a 200k unit descrepancy - about half the total that was probably sold in all of CANADA!!!!



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Hot damn, Monty is ignorant kid. Please, man, just stop talking, you're making yourself look like a fool.



Well, I'm not backing the figures Monty gives, but there's one thing I'll agree with : there are a LOT of assumptions here. NPD does not have the Walmart (and Toys'r us i think) figures, so they assume the numbers of units sold. NPD does not always give the Canada/Mexico figures, but VG assumes its around 10% of USA sales. Then, base on this, VG assume that european/rest of the world sales are around 45% of the NA sales...



Who said vgcharts is assuming any of that?... We actually have latest up to data figures in most regions as of the end of 2006 - 890k in UK, 350k in France, 275k in Canada, 50k in the rest of NA, 100k in Australia etc etc. It adds up to what we have funnily enough!



TalonMan said: ...time and again, you keep changing your stance Monty - and then you wonder why your numbers don't add up?!?!? Yesterday - you were in agreement that 4.9 million consoles were sold in the US. Today, you post a link to an analyst's "estimate" and now claim that 5.1 million were sold. That's a 200k unit descrepancy - about half the total that was probably sold in all of CANADA!!!!
I quoted 4.9 through Dec 25th. NPD recently released it's estimate for the entire year. The extra 200k is what I've been saying all along in my estimate from Dec 25th to Dec 31st. According to NPD, I was dead on correct with the 5.1. That is US only... no Canada, no Mexico...



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Cryoakira said: Well, I'm not backing the figures Monty gives, but there's one thing I'll agree with : there are a LOT of assumptions here. NPD does not have the Walmart (and Toys'r us i think) figures, so they assume the numbers of units sold. NPD does not always give the Canada/Mexico figures, but VG assumes its around 10% of USA sales. Then, base on this, VG assume that european/rest of the world sales are around 45% of the NA sales...
These aren't "my" figures. NPD says 5.1 million for the US... I didn't make that up myself. If you're figuring 10% for NA, then there should be another 500k added to that. That brings NA to 5.6+ million by the end of 2006. vgcharts says 5.2 million. The only things I am saying is that I think Canada and Mexico account for more than 10%, but even taking your figure puts it above vgcharts by nearly half a million for one region alone.



broshnat said: Who said vgcharts is assuming any of that?... We actually have latest up to data figures in most regions as of the end of 2006 - 890k in UK, 350k in France, 275k in Canada, 50k in the rest of NA, 100k in Australia etc etc. It adds up to what we have funnily enough!
Main problem is : where does these european figures come from ? I'm french, I'm working in one the biggest french games retailers (Micromania), and we don't have figures for the french market, except what MS gives on the X360 (and I wasen't specifically talking about X360, but all consoles, so the same goes for Sony or Nntendo). In most of european contries, there aren't any real statistics about the real consoles and video games sales. Nothing like NPD or the jap institutes. Nobodies is able to exactly tell the actual numbers of units sold, only the number of units distributed.



Cryoakira said: Main problem is : where does these european figures come from ? I'm french, I'm working in one the biggest french games retailers (Micromania), and we don't have figures for the french market, except what MS gives on the X360 (and I wasen't specifically talking about X360, but all consoles, so the same goes for Sony or Nntendo). In most of european contries, there aren't any real statistics about the real consoles and video games sales. Nothing like NPD or the jap institutes. Nobodies is able to exactly tell the actual numbers of units sold, only the number of units distributed.
That's a lot of why I put little faith into sites like this one or nexgenwars. They are highly entertaining, and make for fun debates. However, take them for what they are worth as there is a lot of assumptions made when making out figures like this, and you'll find there is a LOT of play... meaning if you favor one console over another, you can push and pull figures just about any way you want. There are far too many areas of the world that you simply can't find hard stats for. If anybody tell you they know exact figures for these parts of the world, then I wouldn't trust them very far. One thing I enjoy about this site more that some others is that at least they started with a forum and will openly debate you, and allow you to question their methods/figures. That definitely says something, even if they are so very, very, very wrong!



Monty said: The extra 200k is what I've been saying all along in my estimate from Dec 25th to Dec 31st.
Are you kidding?



Monty said: These aren't "my" figures. NPD says 5.1 million for the US... I didn't make that up myself.
Actually they are figures you totally made up. Only 3.4 million X360's were sold in the US at the end of Novemember. http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4362&Itemid=2 (See I actually provide valid info with links, unlike you) And if you think 1.7 million were sold in December you are absolutely crazy.