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yo_john117 on 27 April 2011
Icyedge said:
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Why are you defending them...fucking why?

Because nothing has happend to anyone who had their information taken, they aren't letting cheaters and pirates overtake their system and they don't rip people off, they make good games, and these things happen to even the most secrure things and they are fixing the problem everyway they can, I can forgive their PR department being a little late assuming they knew about it before they told us

But the point is that this is not acceptable by any means...it just isn't and I don't care who the company is.

So it's not acceptable for someone to get hacked? 

Its not acceptable for a company to be so vulnerable that stores info of millions of people.

So then what do you say to visa and mastercard and all those other companies that got hacked and actually lost CC information, why is Sony being held to a higher standard then them?

It wasn't acceptable for them either. Its not acceptable, it wasn't then, it isn't now, and it never ever was or will be. 

Its not acceptable and thats all there is to it.

Lets wait for the conclusion of the class action lawsuit, they want to determine if there was negligence or not. After all, Sony didnt got hack after 5 years, and it did happens at the moment where they have thousands of hackers against them. Its a possibility they really did think their system was safe. Its also a possilibity that their system was considered sufficiently safe by independant sources. Lets wait a bit, its reasonable given the circumstances.

I totally agree with you



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imaprettyhotguy on 27 April 2011
yo_john117 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
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It wasn't acceptable for them either. Its not acceptable, it wasn't then, it isn't now, and it never ever was or will be. 

Its not acceptable and thats all there is to it.

My question is still valid why are people holding Sony to a higher standard then them saying the loss will be 23 billion when the places that lost more credit card numbers didn't even come close to that, it's just riddicules the amount of blame and responsibility people are putting on Sony, as far as we know they didn't eve lose credit card info and were up to industry standards 90% of the blame is based on assumptions people are jumping the gun way to much on this 

Why are you asking me? I'm not holding them to a higher standard....and I really don't care if others are.

My point is that its not acceptable...which its not.

Well like it or not your lumped in with them now and I doubt you were saying these things about the CC information from CC companies 



imaprettyhotguy on 27 April 2011
Icyedge said:
Lets wait for the conclusion of the class action lawsuit, they want to determine if there was negligence or not. After all, Sony didnt got hack after 5 years, and it did happens at the moment where they have thousands of hackers against them. Its a possibility they really did think their system was safe. Its also a possilibity that their system was considered sufficiently safe by independant sources. Lets wait a bit, its reasonable given the circumstances.

Thank you seriously right now I'm willing to give them the benefit of the dobut given what we do know but people should atleast wait for the facts to come in before condeming them 



yo_john117 on 27 April 2011
imaprettyhotguy said:
yo_john117 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
yo_john117 said:
It wasn't acceptable for them either. Its not acceptable, it wasn't then, it isn't now, and it never ever was or will be. 

Its not acceptable and thats all there is to it.

My question is still valid why are people holding Sony to a higher standard then them saying the loss will be 23 billion when the places that lost more credit card numbers didn't even come close to that, it's just riddicules the amount of blame and responsibility people are putting on Sony, as far as we know they didn't eve lose credit card info and were up to industry standards 90% of the blame is based on assumptions people are jumping the gun way to much on this 

Why are you asking me? I'm not holding them to a higher standard....and I really don't care if others are.

My point is that its not acceptable...which its not.

Well like it or not your lumped in with them now and I doubt you were saying these things about the CC information from CC companies 

I had this big reply all made up but then my POS computer froze so fuck it. 



Icyedge on 27 April 2011
imaprettyhotguy said:
Icyedge said:
Lets wait for the conclusion of the class action lawsuit, they want to determine if there was negligence or not. After all, Sony didnt got hack after 5 years, and it did happens at the moment where they have thousands of hackers against them. Its a possibility they really did think their system was safe. Its also a possilibity that their system was considered sufficiently safe by independant sources. Lets wait a bit, its reasonable given the circumstances.

Thank you seriously right now I'm willing to give them the benefit of the dobut given what we do know but people should atleast wait for the facts to come in before condeming them 

Sure we should, particularly knowing what has been happening between hackers and Sony lately. With that said, its true that its not acceptable if they were being negligent with our personal informations. If its the case, I wouldnt boycott them because I think they have way more good then bad, but I would think 2 times before giving them my personal informations again. Ill follow this case for sure.



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imaprettyhotguy on 27 April 2011
yo_john117 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
yo_john117 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
yo_john117 said:
It wasn't acceptable for them either. Its not acceptable, it wasn't then, it isn't now, and it never ever was or will be. 

Its not acceptable and thats all there is to it.

My question is still valid why are people holding Sony to a higher standard then them saying the loss will be 23 billion when the places that lost more credit card numbers didn't even come close to that, it's just riddicules the amount of blame and responsibility people are putting on Sony, as far as we know they didn't eve lose credit card info and were up to industry standards 90% of the blame is based on assumptions people are jumping the gun way to much on this 

Why are you asking me? I'm not holding them to a higher standard....and I really don't care if others are.

My point is that its not acceptable...which its not.

Well like it or not your lumped in with them now and I doubt you were saying these things about the CC information from CC companies 

I had this big reply all made up but then my POS computer froze so fuck it. 

Yea I hate it when that happens, funny you agree with that guy since we were saying the same thing, wait until the facts come in before making judgements 



yo_john117 on 27 April 2011
imaprettyhotguy said:
yo_john117 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
yo_john117 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
yo_john117 said:
It wasn't acceptable for them either. Its not acceptable, it wasn't then, it isn't now, and it never ever was or will be. 

Its not acceptable and thats all there is to it.

My question is still valid why are people holding Sony to a higher standard then them saying the loss will be 23 billion when the places that lost more credit card numbers didn't even come close to that, it's just riddicules the amount of blame and responsibility people are putting on Sony, as far as we know they didn't eve lose credit card info and were up to industry standards 90% of the blame is based on assumptions people are jumping the gun way to much on this 

Why are you asking me? I'm not holding them to a higher standard....and I really don't care if others are.

My point is that its not acceptable...which its not.

Well like it or not your lumped in with them now and I doubt you were saying these things about the CC information from CC companies 

I had this big reply all made up but then my POS computer froze so fuck it. 

Yea I hate it when that happens, funny you agree with that guy since we were saying the same thing, wait until the facts come in before making judgements 

"Sure we should, particularly knowing what has been happening between hackers and Sony lately. With that said, its true that its not acceptable if they were being negligent with our personal informations. If its the case, I wouldnt boycott them because I think they have way more good then bad, but I would think 2 times before giving them my personal informations again. Ill follow this case for sure."

Basically what icyedge says is 100% true here...especially the bolded.



Gnizmo on 27 April 2011
fordy said:

It takes a great deal of complexity to brute-force decrypt a digested password hash. This is why they're used. Even if taken, they're still pretty useless, so they wouldn't be kicking up a fuss that they were stolen. You really should research the use use before trying to argue your stance on it.

Secondly, I stated quite clearly that it MAY be a rumour, but if it is indeed true, then it is a major oversight.

Even one of these points is more than enough to conclude that Sony did have major neglect towards adopting a security policy that is dangerous. If it was so effective, why wouldn't anyone else adopt the same policy?


Also by the time you de-crypt the password it is probably useless. Getting the data is one thing, but getting it undetected is virtually impossible. By the time you crack it the user has had a lot of time to simply change the password rendering all the work null and void. Of course when there is a week long gap between the incident and informing the users that is less true.



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imaprettyhotguy on 27 April 2011
yo_john117 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
yo_john117 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
yo_john117 said:
imaprettyhotguy said:
yo_john117 said:
It wasn't acceptable for them either. Its not acceptable, it wasn't then, it isn't now, and it never ever was or will be. 

Its not acceptable and thats all there is to it.

My question is still valid why are people holding Sony to a higher standard then them saying the loss will be 23 billion when the places that lost more credit card numbers didn't even come close to that, it's just riddicules the amount of blame and responsibility people are putting on Sony, as far as we know they didn't eve lose credit card info and were up to industry standards 90% of the blame is based on assumptions people are jumping the gun way to much on this 

Why are you asking me? I'm not holding them to a higher standard....and I really don't care if others are.

My point is that its not acceptable...which its not.

Well like it or not your lumped in with them now and I doubt you were saying these things about the CC information from CC companies 

I had this big reply all made up but then my POS computer froze so fuck it. 

Yea I hate it when that happens, funny you agree with that guy since we were saying the same thing, wait until the facts come in before making judgements 

"Sure we should, particularly knowing what has been happening between hackers and Sony lately. With that said, its true that its not acceptable if they were being negligent with our personal informations. If its the case, I wouldnt boycott them because I think they have way more good then bad, but I would think 2 times before giving them my personal informations again. Ill follow this case for sure."

Basically what icyedge says is 100% true here...especially the bolded.

But beforehand you just said it wasn't acceptable period, as if even if they weren't or had the best secruity ever its not acceptable 



fordy on 27 April 2011
Gnizmo said:
fordy said:

It takes a great deal of complexity to brute-force decrypt a digested password hash. This is why they're used. Even if taken, they're still pretty useless, so they wouldn't be kicking up a fuss that they were stolen. You really should research the use use before trying to argue your stance on it.

Secondly, I stated quite clearly that it MAY be a rumour, but if it is indeed true, then it is a major oversight.

Even one of these points is more than enough to conclude that Sony did have major neglect towards adopting a security policy that is dangerous. If it was so effective, why wouldn't anyone else adopt the same policy?


Also by the time you de-crypt the password it is probably useless. Getting the data is one thing, but getting it undetected is virtually impossible. By the time you crack it the user has had a lot of time to simply change the password rendering all the work null and void. Of course when there is a week long gap between the incident and informing the users that is less true.

Also, plenty of people store their password as a combination of numerals and letters (not complete words) so they're only taking a stab in the dark at which would be the right one. (out of a combination of thousands of trillions) as opposed to copy/paste of a text-stored password.