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fordy said:
Icyedge said:

But your reason to add internet controls was to track hackers who protest corporate rape. That's the equivalent of following individual protestors back to their home and arresting them. They're easier to control when you deal with them one at a time, right?


Don't make me laugh about free speech outside of the internet. Both sides of your policital spectrum are wholly owned subsidiaries of corporate interest, the news is nothing more than bought-out opinion, phones are being tapped, real journalism is being pursued for imprisonment, and while you can have a say on things, your life can be made a living hell from it.

You're not living in a democracy. You're living in a corporate oligarchy, where the wealthy are the only ones with the REAL free speech, and your free speech consists of such decisions as "paper or plastic?"


My reason wasnt to solely control hackers who invade others property. If it were just that, it wouldnt be that much of a deal. Heres what I said "I know its not just related to this issue but we need to globally enforce the internet, fast. Its becoming more and more disconnect to what we accept and defend in our society."

Luckily, its part of our freedom to be able to go against the freedom of speech of someone else in our judicial system.



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Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
 

But your reason to add internet controls was to track hackers who protest corporate rape. That's the equivalent of following individual protestors back to their home and arresting them. They're easier to control when you deal with them one at a time, right?


Don't make me laugh about free speech outside of the internet. Both sides of your policital spectrum are wholly owned subsidiaries of corporate interest, the news is nothing more than bought-out opinion, phones are being tapped, real journalism is being pursued for imprisonment, and while you can have a say on things, your life can be made a living hell from it.

You're not living in a democracy. You're living in a corporate oligarchy, where the wealthy are the only ones with the REAL free speech, and your free speech consists of such decisions as "paper or plastic?"


My reason wasnt to solely control hackers who invade others property. If it were just that, it wouldnt be that much of a deal. Heres what I said "I know its not just related to this issue but we need to globally enforce the internet, fast. Its becoming more and more disconnect to what we accept and defend in our society."

Luckily, its part of our freedom to be able to go against the freedom of speech of someone else in our judicial system.

You mean protests aren't what you accept and defend in society? Things that disrupt corporate workings so they actually pay attention? Wow, where do you live, again?



fordy said:
Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
 

But your reason to add internet controls was to track hackers who protest corporate rape. That's the equivalent of following individual protestors back to their home and arresting them. They're easier to control when you deal with them one at a time, right?


Don't make me laugh about free speech outside of the internet. Both sides of your policital spectrum are wholly owned subsidiaries of corporate interest, the news is nothing more than bought-out opinion, phones are being tapped, real journalism is being pursued for imprisonment, and while you can have a say on things, your life can be made a living hell from it.

You're not living in a democracy. You're living in a corporate oligarchy, where the wealthy are the only ones with the REAL free speech, and your free speech consists of such decisions as "paper or plastic?"


My reason wasnt to solely control hackers who invade others property. If it were just that, it wouldnt be that much of a deal. Heres what I said "I know its not just related to this issue but we need to globally enforce the internet, fast. Its becoming more and more disconnect to what we accept and defend in our society."

Luckily, its part of our freedom to be able to go against the freedom of speech of someone else in our judicial system.

You mean protests aren't what you accept and defend in society? Things that disrupt corporate workings so they actually pay attention? Wow, where do you live, again?

Surely, by accept I mean legal, and by defend I mean societal values and jurisprudence. Im all for protestation, as long as the protestant doesnt do anything illegal. As far as I know, manifestation and protestation are permitted in most developed countries, personally im in Canada.



Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
 

But your reason to add internet controls was to track hackers who protest corporate rape. That's the equivalent of following individual protestors back to their home and arresting them. They're easier to control when you deal with them one at a time, right?


Don't make me laugh about free speech outside of the internet. Both sides of your policital spectrum are wholly owned subsidiaries of corporate interest, the news is nothing more than bought-out opinion, phones are being tapped, real journalism is being pursued for imprisonment, and while you can have a say on things, your life can be made a living hell from it.

You're not living in a democracy. You're living in a corporate oligarchy, where the wealthy are the only ones with the REAL free speech, and your free speech consists of such decisions as "paper or plastic?"


My reason wasnt to solely control hackers who invade others property. If it were just that, it wouldnt be that much of a deal. Heres what I said "I know its not just related to this issue but we need to globally enforce the internet, fast. Its becoming more and more disconnect to what we accept and defend in our society."

Luckily, its part of our freedom to be able to go against the freedom of speech of someone else in our judicial system.

You mean protests aren't what you accept and defend in society? Things that disrupt corporate workings so they actually pay attention? Wow, where do you live, again?

Surely, by accept I mean legal, and by defend I mean societal values and jurisprudence. Im all for protestation, as long as the protestant doesnt do anything illegal. As far as I know, manifestation and protestation are permitted in most developed countries, personally im in Canada.

Distributed Denial of Service is the equivalent of blocking the shop entrance of a store, and that's if the website they're DDOSing is a shop or not.



fordy said:
Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
 


My reason wasnt to solely control hackers who invade others property. If it were just that, it wouldnt be that much of a deal. Heres what I said "I know its not just related to this issue but we need to globally enforce the internet, fast. Its becoming more and more disconnect to what we accept and defend in our society."

Luckily, its part of our freedom to be able to go against the freedom of speech of someone else in our judicial system.

You mean protests aren't what you accept and defend in society? Things that disrupt corporate workings so they actually pay attention? Wow, where do you live, again?

Surely, by accept I mean legal, and by defend I mean societal values and jurisprudence. Im all for protestation, as long as the protestant doesnt do anything illegal. As far as I know, manifestation and protestation are permitted in most developed countries, personally im in Canada.

Distributed Denial of Service is the equivalent of blocking the shop entrance of a store, and that's if the website they're DDOSing is a shop or not.

Once again:

"I know its not just related to this issue...".

"My reason wasnt to solely control hackers who invade others property. If it were just that, it wouldnt be that much of a deal."



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Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
 


My reason wasnt to solely control hackers who invade others property. If it were just that, it wouldnt be that much of a deal. Heres what I said "I know its not just related to this issue but we need to globally enforce the internet, fast. Its becoming more and more disconnect to what we accept and defend in our society."

Luckily, its part of our freedom to be able to go against the freedom of speech of someone else in our judicial system.

You mean protests aren't what you accept and defend in society? Things that disrupt corporate workings so they actually pay attention? Wow, where do you live, again?

Surely, by accept I mean legal, and by defend I mean societal values and jurisprudence. Im all for protestation, as long as the protestant doesnt do anything illegal. As far as I know, manifestation and protestation are permitted in most developed countries, personally im in Canada.

Distributed Denial of Service is the equivalent of blocking the shop entrance of a store, and that's if the website they're DDOSing is a shop or not.

Once again:

"I know its not just related to this issue...".

"My reason wasnt to solely control hackers who invade others property. If it were just that, it wouldnt be that much of a deal."

Even then, I'd be inclined to be persuaded based on the circumstances. Why? Because I believe that corporations should be made to be transparent along with government. For instance, if a hacker made their way into BP's network, and found information relating to deliberate negligence towards maintenance in the gulf that led to the large spill, and distributed it all over the internet, how would you rule on that?



fordy said:
Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
 


My reason wasnt to solely control hackers who invade others property. If it were just that, it wouldnt be that much of a deal. Heres what I said "I know its not just related to this issue but we need to globally enforce the internet, fast. Its becoming more and more disconnect to what we accept and defend in our society."

Luckily, its part of our freedom to be able to go against the freedom of speech of someone else in our judicial system.

You mean protests aren't what you accept and defend in society? Things that disrupt corporate workings so they actually pay attention? Wow, where do you live, again?

Surely, by accept I mean legal, and by defend I mean societal values and jurisprudence. Im all for protestation, as long as the protestant doesnt do anything illegal. As far as I know, manifestation and protestation are permitted in most developed countries, personally im in Canada.

Distributed Denial of Service is the equivalent of blocking the shop entrance of a store, and that's if the website they're DDOSing is a shop or not.

Once again:

"I know its not just related to this issue...".

"My reason wasnt to solely control hackers who invade others property. If it were just that, it wouldnt be that much of a deal."

Even then, I'd be inclined to be persuaded based on the circumstances. Why? Because I believe that corporations should be made to be transparent along with government. For instance, if a hacker made their way into BP's network, and found information relating to deliberate negligence towards maintenance in the gulf that led to the large spill, and distributed it all over the internet, how would you rule on that?

I think that giving the right to anyone and/or the police to look into what we define as private on the basis we might find something illegal is hard to defend. What is private isnt legally accessible without a subpoena and it should remain that way. Now, if you ask me if companies and governments should have less privacy, my answer is yes. I think we should work toward that way. For examples, laws like the "Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act" we have in Canada and getting rid of the switzerland bank privacy policy are both good things that was done toward this way.



Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
fordy said:
Icyedge said:
 


My reason wasnt to solely control hackers who invade others property. If it were just that, it wouldnt be that much of a deal. Heres what I said "I know its not just related to this issue but we need to globally enforce the internet, fast. Its becoming more and more disconnect to what we accept and defend in our society."

Luckily, its part of our freedom to be able to go against the freedom of speech of someone else in our judicial system.

You mean protests aren't what you accept and defend in society? Things that disrupt corporate workings so they actually pay attention? Wow, where do you live, again?

Surely, by accept I mean legal, and by defend I mean societal values and jurisprudence. Im all for protestation, as long as the protestant doesnt do anything illegal. As far as I know, manifestation and protestation are permitted in most developed countries, personally im in Canada.

Distributed Denial of Service is the equivalent of blocking the shop entrance of a store, and that's if the website they're DDOSing is a shop or not.

Once again:

"I know its not just related to this issue...".

"My reason wasnt to solely control hackers who invade others property. If it were just that, it wouldnt be that much of a deal."

Even then, I'd be inclined to be persuaded based on the circumstances. Why? Because I believe that corporations should be made to be transparent along with government. For instance, if a hacker made their way into BP's network, and found information relating to deliberate negligence towards maintenance in the gulf that led to the large spill, and distributed it all over the internet, how would you rule on that?

Giving the right to anyone and/or the police to look into what we define as private on the basis we might find something illegal is hard to defend. What is private isnt legally accessible without a subpoena and it should remain that way. Now, if you ask me if companies and governments should have less privacy, my answer is yes. I think we should work toward that way. For examples, laws like the "Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act" we have in Canada and getting rid of the switzerland bank privacy policy are both good things that was done toward this way.

The main issue is that a lot of cases that require subpoena need some kind of warrant, and a warrant cannot be obtained unless there is sufficient evidence that illegal activity might be happening. In the cases of major corporatism (Big oil, Big banking etc.) there is a hidden wealth distribution to ensure that they are always on the law's good side. How else could big banks almost destroy the world economy and get away with no arrests, while police are kicking down doors and seizing computer equipment of people who copy a few songs, in the interest of organisations such as the RIAA? Which is the bigger crime here, exactly?

I can see the dangers of rummaging through private areas in a corporate network, especially if the hackers are only in it for personal gain. It's the usual issue of security vs transparency. I don't know the ultimate answer to corporate transparency, but I still like to see the occasional corporate leak, where the public gets to hand down the verdict. Gives them the feeling that they may have to atone for their actions if it ever got leaked.

I'd love to see leaks on the workings of the American banks. Let the people decide which banks will fail, too big to or not.



fordy said:
Doobie_wop said:
fordy said:
Doobie_wop said:
ssj12 said:
Doobie_wop said:
ssj12 said:
Doobie_wop said:

We fight for consumer rights!

*Takes down PSN and hurts the service that millions of people use*

We only for fight for some consumer rights that appeal to a minority, every other consumer can go fuck themselves!

Anon and their fans are hypocrits.


sometimes the majority must suffer in-order for change to occur. and if they do what Im thinking they will, it will benefit consumers for a little bit. free content!


Your a fool and I don't think I'm going to talk to someone who is willing to exploit the innocent just so they can get some free games and some internet cred.


Its not about free games or internet cred. its about whats right. I have the right to modify my console, and help others be able to do so. Its like cell phones, they can be legally modified and jackbreak software is regularly available. What is the difference between a console and cell phone in terms of electronics? nothing, they both are specialized computers. So if i can modify my cell phone, I can modify my console. If the instructions to modify more cell phone is online, so should the instructions to modify my console.

This isn't a Civil War, this isn't even a national crisis, this is a bunch of hackers getting pissed off because they can't get what they want. Consumers are happy with what they've got and now the 'freedom fighters' have come along to ruin the services we already have and like. 

You do not get to choose what the rights of millions of people are.

You do not have the right to fight for my rights.

You do not have the right to fight for your rights and act as if your special, knowing that it'll hurt the rights of millions to feel safe and use a good service that they agreed to.

You do have the right to hack your console, but you don't have the right to go on Sonys PSN services or buy any of Sonys games.

You do not have the right to pick and choose between what is right and wrong. Hackers do not make laws, they are meant to follow them.

You do not have the right to take advantage of the innocent bystanders of this situation, which includes developers, other publishers and consumers.

You do not represent me, you do not represent the majority, you do not represent freedom.

 

We are Consumers.

We were happy.

We do not forget

We do not put up with needless bullshit.

Piss off.


I'd like to see some kind of opinion poll where you get your facts from, because it isn't safe to say whether the majority support or oppose this. In fact, I'd be safe to say that the majority are in the "no opinion" category.

So what gives you the right to speak for those people, or lobby that you want corporate crackdown on consumer bought hardware? These people are consumers, too. They bought their PS3, so do not treat them as anyone lower than yourself.

Anyone can say they represent the majority, but unless you can back those words up, it's nothing but hot air.

I'm pretty sure that the majority of PS3 owners who use PSN are going to be pissed off that their service was taken offline, just because a few hackers wanted things their way. If they also felt that Sony was being the big bad world in this situation, then they would have reacted. Sony has done nothing to them, so they have no need to freak out about something this silly, on the other hand though, hackers have taken down their service. Sony does nothing bad, hackers attack the consumers right to go on PSN, I wonder which side they'd choose.

I'm pretty sure the majority of PS3 owners weren't online all at the same time to notice it. Once again, no facts, no persuasion.

They HAVE reacted. These are the consumers you are telling to quote "piss off".

Yeah, Sony are the big, innocent corporation here crying out buttrape. How about this? Instead of banning homebrew PS3s from PSN with extreme predjudice, why not enforce regulation of those consoles who DO cause damage to others? Why not? Because Sony do not wish to spend the money on doing procedures the right way, and are sending their brainwashed followers in to do their lobbying.

There is more than one way around this. Sony chose the 'cheaper, but hurt more of their base' path. And you're complaining when those consumers make a stand against this? That is pathetic.


And why don't hackers ban other hackers that do things go bad??



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DonFerrari said:
fordy said:
Doobie_wop said:
fordy said:
Doobie_wop said:
ssj12 said:
Doobie_wop said:
ssj12 said:
Doobie_wop said:

We fight for consumer rights!

*Takes down PSN and hurts the service that millions of people use*

We only for fight for some consumer rights that appeal to a minority, every other consumer can go fuck themselves!

Anon and their fans are hypocrits.


sometimes the majority must suffer in-order for change to occur. and if they do what Im thinking they will, it will benefit consumers for a little bit. free content!


Your a fool and I don't think I'm going to talk to someone who is willing to exploit the innocent just so they can get some free games and some internet cred.


Its not about free games or internet cred. its about whats right. I have the right to modify my console, and help others be able to do so. Its like cell phones, they can be legally modified and jackbreak software is regularly available. What is the difference between a console and cell phone in terms of electronics? nothing, they both are specialized computers. So if i can modify my cell phone, I can modify my console. If the instructions to modify more cell phone is online, so should the instructions to modify my console.

This isn't a Civil War, this isn't even a national crisis, this is a bunch of hackers getting pissed off because they can't get what they want. Consumers are happy with what they've got and now the 'freedom fighters' have come along to ruin the services we already have and like. 

You do not get to choose what the rights of millions of people are.

You do not have the right to fight for my rights.

You do not have the right to fight for your rights and act as if your special, knowing that it'll hurt the rights of millions to feel safe and use a good service that they agreed to.

You do have the right to hack your console, but you don't have the right to go on Sonys PSN services or buy any of Sonys games.

You do not have the right to pick and choose between what is right and wrong. Hackers do not make laws, they are meant to follow them.

You do not have the right to take advantage of the innocent bystanders of this situation, which includes developers, other publishers and consumers.

You do not represent me, you do not represent the majority, you do not represent freedom.

 

We are Consumers.

We were happy.

We do not forget

We do not put up with needless bullshit.

Piss off.


I'd like to see some kind of opinion poll where you get your facts from, because it isn't safe to say whether the majority support or oppose this. In fact, I'd be safe to say that the majority are in the "no opinion" category.

So what gives you the right to speak for those people, or lobby that you want corporate crackdown on consumer bought hardware? These people are consumers, too. They bought their PS3, so do not treat them as anyone lower than yourself.

Anyone can say they represent the majority, but unless you can back those words up, it's nothing but hot air.

I'm pretty sure that the majority of PS3 owners who use PSN are going to be pissed off that their service was taken offline, just because a few hackers wanted things their way. If they also felt that Sony was being the big bad world in this situation, then they would have reacted. Sony has done nothing to them, so they have no need to freak out about something this silly, on the other hand though, hackers have taken down their service. Sony does nothing bad, hackers attack the consumers right to go on PSN, I wonder which side they'd choose.

I'm pretty sure the majority of PS3 owners weren't online all at the same time to notice it. Once again, no facts, no persuasion.

They HAVE reacted. These are the consumers you are telling to quote "piss off".

Yeah, Sony are the big, innocent corporation here crying out buttrape. How about this? Instead of banning homebrew PS3s from PSN with extreme predjudice, why not enforce regulation of those consoles who DO cause damage to others? Why not? Because Sony do not wish to spend the money on doing procedures the right way, and are sending their brainwashed followers in to do their lobbying.

There is more than one way around this. Sony chose the 'cheaper, but hurt more of their base' path. And you're complaining when those consumers make a stand against this? That is pathetic.


And why don't hackers ban other hackers that do things go bad??

Can you rephrase that? I've tried to interpret that question in several ways.