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Darth Tigris on 03 February 2011

thismeintiel said:

You pretty much ruined your argument with those few words.  Do you honestly think that DMC or FF13 would have sold half of what they sold on 360 if they came out a year late?  I can tell you that they wouldn't.  Especially, like with other year late ports, people with both systems would have bought it for the system it came out on first.  There would be no reason for them to repurchase it for the other system, even if they prefer that system.  So your argument holds no merit, nor does your attempt at labelling the PS3 fanbase as "fanboys" and biased gamers.

I acknowledge that, though!  Right in my post!

And then I mentioned RE4 as an example of a late port that sold better on BOTH consoles it was ported to than the original console.

And I wasn't labeling the entire PS3 fanbase as "fanboys" and biased gamers.  C'mon, man.  But do you think its wrong to say that the 360 userbase is made up of more PS2 owners than the PS3 userbase made up of Xbox owners?  Because those that waited for the PS3 are likely to have stronger brand loyalty?  What general userbase would that likely create?



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DarkintheLight on 03 February 2011
Darth Tigris said:
Carl2291 said:

I'm accusing you of it because it's quite obvious due to your stupidly high expectations of it and how you think they should abandon the console of part 3 despite all your "championing"... It's a year late port of the 2nd game in a story driven trilogy, on a console that doesn't have the 1st game. What did you expect it to do? Enlighten me.

A dismissal of a series because it's tied to Xbox? Brand don't come into things like this outside of the Internet. I can get you a number of games pretty easily that sold amazingly well on the PS2, yet sold better on 360 than PS3 (Or didn't even appear on PS3).

I don't get why it's so hard to understand. It's getting the sales it deserves. Expecting it to match or even come close to the 360 numbers for the game is pure stupidity. I know it sounds rude... But it's  true. Especially when our own ME2 360 numbers are vastly overtracked, making the ratio even more in favour of the 360 version.

Stop complaining when there is nothing to complain about. It's sold about 150k in 2 Weeks of being on sale. It's a late port. It's the 2nd game in a story driven trilogy. It's priced WAY higher than the 360 version. It's sales are fine.

Never said I expected it would sell anywhere near as much as the 360 version (why are you so convinced it is overtracked?)  I hoped it would sell around a million or maybe a little over (think there was even a thread about that before).

I acknowledged your Bioshock example, but why not acknowledge the RE4 example?  It is not as if there isn't precedent for what I was hoping for.  And the reality that ME3 is coming day and date, wouldn't that make more want to play this to prep for it?

Also, I think you took my comments about ME3 on PS3 a little too literally.  It was a response to this tepid reception and nothing more.  I got treated like a PS3 fanboy in a recent thread where I was complimenting how GT5 sales helped Sony's NPS to have a better than expected quarter.  Can't win here sometimes.

Anyway, a ton of PS3 owners that haven't played ME2 are really missing something special.  That's how I feel strongly.

Speaking as a ps3 only owner who played the demo, it doesn't seem that good and I still have a huge backlog (mostly exclusives) to get through, the game just seems to repetitive and I don't like the interface as much as I did with dragon age, and I even have issues with how slow paced and how little control I had over that 



NYANKS on 03 February 2011
Darth Tigris said:

thismeintiel said:

You pretty much ruined your argument with those few words.  Do you honestly think that DMC or FF13 would have sold half of what they sold on 360 if they came out a year late?  I can tell you that they wouldn't.  Especially, like with other year late ports, people with both systems would have bought it for the system it came out on first.  There would be no reason for them to repurchase it for the other system, even if they prefer that system.  So your argument holds no merit, nor does your attempt at labelling the PS3 fanbase as "fanboys" and biased gamers.

I acknowledge that, though!  Right in my post!

And then I mentioned RE4 as an example of a late port that sold better on BOTH consoles it was ported to than the original console.

And I wasn't labeling the entire PS3 fanbase as "fanboys" and biased gamers.  C'mon, man.  But do you think its wrong to say that the 360 userbase is made up of more PS2 owners than the PS3 userbase made up of Xbox owners?  Because those that waited for the PS3 are likely to have stronger brand loyalty?  What general userbase would that likely create?

Maybe the RE4 example could be attributed to "hardcore" fans of the Wii who picked it up and saw the game as one of the bastions of "hardcoreness" to cling to on the system, at least at that point.  There's much more to choose from on the PS3 than the Wii regarding games in that vein.  Maybe? Their could be a lot of variables...



chapset on 03 February 2011
ShadowboyT said:
Darth Tigris said:
17
Mass Effect 2 (PS3)
Electronic Arts
2 30,421
48
Mass Effect 2 (X360)
Electronic Arts
53 15,806


Wait, was that surprising to you Tigris? I mean, most X360 users who wanted ME2 have it. I'm not saying the sales are stopping for that version anytime soon, but its been about a year so its kind of expected. The PS3 users are basically playing catch-up since they missed out on Mass Effect last year.

 

The sales of both versions will start to even out at some point I'm sure.

Mass effect 2 360 20$ new

Mass effect 2 ps3 60$ new

In canada of course

each ps3 mass effect equal 3 360s mass effect so the real margin is 30421x3-15806=75475 ; ) that ain't bad



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landguy1 on 03 February 2011
DarkintheLight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
DarkintheLight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

XB360 and Kinect domination in America is just insane. Wii is doing well overall, but Wii Fit Plus has been kicked out of American Top 10 again. Nice second week for LBP2. Americans don't really hate GT5, but Sony could try harder to make them love it more. Move shows not big but decent legs in the short-mid term, and does it without heavy bundling. Kinect is just unstoppable and Malstrom -POOF!- disappeared.   

Edit: P.S. I was nearly forgetting, nice WW totals adjustments!   

Why do you think Kinect will have good legs? It's sales are dropping and frankly I don't see it last more then 6 months before dropping off almost completely 

Everything drops after Xmas. Kinect is dropping less steeply than many other things, and less than average, although its strength is very unbalanced towards USA and UK.

It drops every week, and frankly I don't see it going up ever 

Ever?  If it drops as precipitously as you proclaim, it will reach almost no sales within a few months.  It would only take a price cut or a good game for the numbers to go up from nearly nothing to double/triple in one week.  This would essentially make you point mute.

Besides that, the Kinect has connected with the lemmings already.  They will continue to go buy it as long as M$ continues to spend the marketing dollars to convince the overall market to do so.  With the Kinect install base being so large already, there will be a crapload of shovelware hitting stores by July or August.  If you sprikle in a few quality titles, the thing will have too much momentum to stop.  If you think that this is crazy, just call Iwata up at home and ask him how this works, i think he could vouch for the concept....



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thismeintiel on 03 February 2011
Darth Tigris said:

thismeintiel said:

You pretty much ruined your argument with those few words.  Do you honestly think that DMC or FF13 would have sold half of what they sold on 360 if they came out a year late?  I can tell you that they wouldn't.  Especially, like with other year late ports, people with both systems would have bought it for the system it came out on first.  There would be no reason for them to repurchase it for the other system, even if they prefer that system.  So your argument holds no merit, nor does your attempt at labelling the PS3 fanbase as "fanboys" and biased gamers.

I acknowledge that, though!  Right in my post!

And then I mentioned RE4 as an example of a late port that sold better on BOTH consoles it was ported to than the original console.

And I wasn't labeling the entire PS3 fanbase as "fanboys" and biased gamers.  C'mon, man.  But do you think its wrong to say that the 360 userbase is made up of more PS2 owners than the PS3 userbase made up of Xbox owners?  Because those that waited for the PS3 are likely to have stronger brand loyalty?  What general userbase would that likely create?

I fail to see what the sales of ME2 has to do with Xbox owners upgrading to the PS3, since the first ME was released on the 360. 

And RE4 is a horrible example to use.  First of all, the game was released on the Gamecube, which sold even worse than the newcomer, the Xbox.  Second, the majority of fans for the Resident Evil were most likely on the PS2 (as were most gamers in general), since the PS1 is where it got its start and was the home for its numerous sequels.  And third, around the time of the Gamecube version's release, Capcom had already announced a PS2 version for later that year.

As far as its success on Wii goes, it's the same principle as the PS2 HD collections on PS3.  People will rebuy games, if priced right, for nostalgia and/or if there are upgrades.  In the Wii's case, it was the new motion controls.  People who had bought or maybe just played it on Gamecube wanted to play it again, but with motion controls.  The fact that the sales for the Wii version are just under 200K above the Gamecube version supports this.



 

DarkintheLight on 03 February 2011
landguy1 said:
DarkintheLight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
DarkintheLight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

XB360 and Kinect domination in America is just insane. Wii is doing well overall, but Wii Fit Plus has been kicked out of American Top 10 again. Nice second week for LBP2. Americans don't really hate GT5, but Sony could try harder to make them love it more. Move shows not big but decent legs in the short-mid term, and does it without heavy bundling. Kinect is just unstoppable and Malstrom -POOF!- disappeared.   

Edit: P.S. I was nearly forgetting, nice WW totals adjustments!   

Why do you think Kinect will have good legs? It's sales are dropping and frankly I don't see it last more then 6 months before dropping off almost completely 

Everything drops after Xmas. Kinect is dropping less steeply than many other things, and less than average, although its strength is very unbalanced towards USA and UK.

It drops every week, and frankly I don't see it going up ever 

Ever?  If it drops as precipitously as you proclaim, it will reach almost no sales within a few months.  It would only take a price cut or a good game for the numbers to go up from nearly nothing to double/triple in one week.  This would essentially make you point mute.

Besides that, the Kinect has connected with the lemmings already.  They will continue to go buy it as long as M$ continues to spend the marketing dollars to convince the overall market to do so.  With the Kinect install base being so large already, there will be a crapload of shovelware hitting stores by July or August.  If you sprikle in a few quality titles, the thing will have too much momentum to stop.  If you think that this is crazy, just call Iwata up at home and ask him how this works, i think he could vouch for the concept....

I disagree with the connecting to the lemmings, seems to me everyone who actually bought it was a impulse buy and they are having buyers remorse, I also don't think a new game or a price cut will help them that much, maybe a bit but still I stand by it being nearly dead after 6 months on the market 



landguy1 on 03 February 2011

On topic, i find it hard to believe that the 360 can maintain this lead in the US for long.  I think Sony will have to do a lot of value added deals to keep up with them, as they can't afford to get a stigma in a market as big as the US.  Things will level out in the next 4-6 weeks in both the US and Europe.  It will be funny to see who jumps first and pushes the "I want to be in 1st place this year" button.  I would guess M$, as they like to spend money on the perception thing alot more than Sony.



landguy1 on 03 February 2011
DarkintheLight said:
landguy1 said:
DarkintheLight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
DarkintheLight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

XB360 and Kinect domination in America is just insane. Wii is doing well overall, but Wii Fit Plus has been kicked out of American Top 10 again. Nice second week for LBP2. Americans don't really hate GT5, but Sony could try harder to make them love it more. Move shows not big but decent legs in the short-mid term, and does it without heavy bundling. Kinect is just unstoppable and Malstrom -POOF!- disappeared.   

Edit: P.S. I was nearly forgetting, nice WW totals adjustments!   

Why do you think Kinect will have good legs? It's sales are dropping and frankly I don't see it last more then 6 months before dropping off almost completely 

Everything drops after Xmas. Kinect is dropping less steeply than many other things, and less than average, although its strength is very unbalanced towards USA and UK.

It drops every week, and frankly I don't see it going up ever 

Ever?  If it drops as precipitously as you proclaim, it will reach almost no sales within a few months.  It would only take a price cut or a good game for the numbers to go up from nearly nothing to double/triple in one week.  This would essentially make you point mute.

Besides that, the Kinect has connected with the lemmings already.  They will continue to go buy it as long as M$ continues to spend the marketing dollars to convince the overall market to do so.  With the Kinect install base being so large already, there will be a crapload of shovelware hitting stores by July or August.  If you sprikle in a few quality titles, the thing will have too much momentum to stop.  If you think that this is crazy, just call Iwata up at home and ask him how this works, i think he could vouch for the concept....

I disagree with the connecting to the lemmings, seems to me everyone who actually bought it was a impulse buy and they are having buyers remorse, I also don't think a new game or a price cut will help them that much, maybe a bit but still I stand by it being nearly dead after 6 months on the market 

I just don't see how you can believe that something that sold nearly 8 million in sixty days will go down to nothing in another 120 days?  The last data had it at 200k for the week ending Jan 22.  To do what your saying, it would have to drop 50% every week to be near nothing by the end of April.  Let me see, i can think of at least 3-4 extremely hot selling products to do that....  Oh, wait.. I can't.



D-Joe on 03 February 2011

hey guts dont you think 360 will cut price first



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