Mistershine said:
There are no stupid questions, just stupid people. It's a paper flower that people wear to remember soldiers that died. |
but originally its just a flower, but for this term yes its a paper flower thats being dealt with. =P
if i i could only get rid of all religions id be a happy person, they are useless
superchunk said:
That's part of the problem. Too often we have these highly vocal people within Islam and like the OP outside of Islam very happily pushing the idea that Islam teaches violence commanded as an action towards nonMuslims and that actions like these are the only true response. Combine that with who's actually in control in Muslim lands and what will happen to those who would speak out against these actions and you have a self-fullfilling cycle of hatred and ignorance. Thankfully I live in the US and as Muslim I can come out and say how wrong these actions are OR how wrong suicide bombing is and that they will go to hell for their actions. This can all happen without fear of being targeted by those who simply want exteamist views to thrive and remain in power. What you ask for simply can't happen today. Just like it took the deaths of many during the Dark Ages who spoke out against Christianities ignorance and killings, it will take the same now for Islam. Unfortunately, people like the OP are too wrapped up in their ignorance to see the similarities and acknowldege that its better to try to teach full/real version of the Qur'an instead of cherry picking the 10% that when looked out out of context provides support for violent and evil behaviour. I've considered many times writing a book on Islam's history and full look into the Prophet and the Qur'an. Yet I haven't as I'm afraid some idiot in the Middle East would ignorantly proclaim I'm a heretic and want my head. When in reality he is the one bastardizing the word of God. |
Very well put.
| jonager said: if i i could only get rid of all religions id be a happy person, they are useless |
While I agree that they have caused A LOT of grief and conflict throughout the world, they are also the biggest providers of hope and comfort in the worst of times for everyone as well as providing social order of all fledgling communities.
superchunk said:
That's part of the problem. Too often we have these highly vocal people within Islam and like the OP outside of Islam very happily pushing the idea that Islam teaches violence commanded as an action towards nonMuslims and that actions like these are the only true response. Combine that with who's actually in control in Muslim lands and what will happen to those who would speak out against these actions and you have a self-fullfilling cycle of hatred and ignorance. Thankfully I live in the US and as Muslim I can come out and say how wrong these actions are OR how wrong suicide bombing is and that they will go to hell for their actions. This can all happen without fear of being targeted by those who simply want exteamist views to thrive and remain in power. What you ask for simply can't happen today. Just like it took the deaths of many during the Dark Ages who spoke out against Christianities ignorance and killings, it will take the same now for Islam. Unfortunately, people like the OP are too wrapped up in their ignorance to see the similarities and acknowldege that its better to try to teach full/real version of the Qur'an instead of cherry picking the 10% that when looked out out of context provides support for violent and evil behaviour. I've considered many times writing a book on Islam's history and full look into the Prophet and the Qur'an. Yet I haven't as I'm afraid some idiot in the Middle East would ignorantly proclaim I'm a heretic and want my head. When in reality he is the one bastardizing the word of God. |
So, do you agree with me that, today, as a whole (or at least the majority of it), Islam is a religon led by violent pepole?
Do you understand that pepole rightfully fear the Islam religon, and wish the muslims to leave their country? When pepole look at the muslims, they don't see pepole like you, they see pepole who want nothing but their death, and a large majority who does nothing to stop them.
Trust me, I know from my own life experience that not all muslims are "like that", I know several muslims who are really intelligent and nice human beings.
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superchunk said:
That's part of the problem. Too often we have these highly vocal people within Islam and like the OP outside of Islam very happily pushing the idea that Islam teaches violence commanded as an action towards nonMuslims and that actions like these are the only true response. Combine that with who's actually in control in Muslim lands and what will happen to those who would speak out against these actions and you have a self-fullfilling cycle of hatred and ignorance. Thankfully I live in the US and as Muslim I can come out and say how wrong these actions are OR how wrong suicide bombing is and that they will go to hell for their actions. This can all happen without fear of being targeted by those who simply want exteamist views to thrive and remain in power. What you ask for simply can't happen today. Just like it took the deaths of many during the Dark Ages who spoke out against Christianities ignorance and killings, it will take the same now for Islam. Unfortunately, people like the OP are too wrapped up in their ignorance to see the similarities and acknowldege that its better to try to teach full/real version of the Qur'an instead of cherry picking the 10% that when looked out out of context provides support for violent and evil behaviour. I've considered many times writing a book on Islam's history and full look into the Prophet and the Qur'an. Yet I haven't as I'm afraid some idiot in the Middle East would ignorantly proclaim I'm a heretic and want my head. When in reality he is the one bastardizing the word of God. |
@ Bolded parts:
"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." (Quran 9:111)
@ OP:
Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..." (Quran 25:52)
@ 2. Bolded parts:
I think youre reffering to the crusades, right?
The crusades took place ~ 350 years against the first christian countries were conquered by the muslims, they are a reaction against the discriminated and killed christians in the holy land and muslims who wanted to conqure the byzantine empire.
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all religions are equally stupid
superchunk said:
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well certeinly not for me. i'm not saying religions completely bad, but i think the bad they do overcome the good they do .
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