The total number of Move only software titles sold is the only metric which counts. It is the only metric by which developers will use to justify further support over the longer term of 1-3 years and it is the only metric which is directly comparable to other platforms.

Success is all relative.  Do I believe that in and of itself Move will make a profit?  Likely.

Could the resources Sony has poured into it have been better spent?  Probably.

Did Move do what Sony and many of it's fans hoped or intended?  Certainly not.

Complete and utter bullshit. Software companies are looking at how fast a possible market is expanding within the first weeks and how wide the "event horizon" is in coming years. Nobody gives a sh*t whether Sports Champions sells 1,10,1000 or 1'000'000 units now.

I wish people would stop arguing with Starcraft, Squiliam and the other XBox fanatics. It must really be frustrating for them to see that Sony actually was correct with the Move hardware. It sells. It sells even more than they anticipated. This whole thing has been beaten to death multiple times but here are the main points again:

1. vgchartz numbers are way off. it is simply wrong assumptions that lead to their low numbers (and the idiot Pachter really is not worth a discussion). Software is NO MEASURE AT ALL whether Starter Packs sell or not - most people buy just the starter pack (or an accessory if they already have the camera).

2. Move units = mostly Starter Packs (in Europe, as observed in Italy, Spain, Switzerland).

3. Sell through rate is approximately 60-100% depending on product (Dildos and Navs apprpx 100%, again, as reported from Italy, Spain, France). There is absolutely no channel stuffing an no retailer uild up for XMas.

4. Sony has increased manufacturing twice, and curently ships _by air_ .

Again, it must be really frustrating for all the Kinect fanatics who expected to kill Move sales by 10:1 or whatever their pipe dreams are.

If sony is making profit and it's in line with there expections,then it's a success. Until we have proof of that,then it's all speculation really.

No "lol" in your comment?

Could have, but what I was saying further elaborates on his particular points. But if you look closely at my post, I mention reasonable people giving each side a chance. People who support blindly don't fit in that category, but rather in with those who hate on anything they don't favor, they're just on the other side of the fence.

Of course, in a consumer-based, competitive and high pubilicity environment I am highly skeptical of taking the word of ANY CEO at face value. 

The link you provided indicated NO evidence of any sell through to consumers, other than the writer's own (unsubstantiated) assertions.  On the other hand, VGC and Pachter more recently have both offered evidence that contradicts YOUR assertions.

And the CEO will not be canned for misleading the public, as that is all he did.  He did not lie.  Sony has indeed sold 2.5 million units to RETAILERS!

Again, you continue to reinforce Point 3.  The article qoutes Pachter as saying, "It's ahead of what I thought previously."  This means it doesn't matter what Pachter had estimated before, as he is saying he was WRONG.  As far as VGC is concerned, they are also making estimates.  Ones that ioi admits uses controller data from previous consoles to come to those estimations.  However, with the Move, there are just way too many variables to consider, so there's basically no way of knowing how accurate VGC is.

Why are you mentioning sell-through?  Reinforcing Point 1.  No one is talking about sell-through.  And the CEO's are not misleading anyone, as ALL companies (even Nintendo and MS) report shipped numbers.  Know why?  Because those numbers are finite, not estimations, and are accurate.  Like I said, I doubt anyone will be screaming "IT'S SHIPPED NOT SOLD!!" when MS releases their Kinect numbers.

@jneul

lol, I forgot to point out that those numbers are without Japan.  Something tells me Japan is going to have very similar numbers to US and Canada.  Actually, that brings up another point.  That 1 mil shipped figure is reportedly only for the US and Canada, and does not include the whole of Americas.

Again, you continue to reinforce Point 3.  The article qoutes Pachter as saying, "It's ahead of what I thought previously."  This means it doesn't matter what Pachter had estimated before, as he is saying he was WRONG.  As far as VGC is concerned, they are also making estimates.  Ones that ioi admits uses controller data from previous consoles to come to those estimations.  However, with the Move, there are just way too many variables to consider, so there's basically no way of knowing how accurate VGC is.

Why are you mentioning sell-through?  Reinforcing Point 1.  No one is talking about sell-through.  And the CEO's are not misleading anyone, as ALL companies (even Nintendo and MS) report shipped numbers.  Know why?  Because those numbers are finite, not estimations, and are accurate.  Like I said, I doubt anyone will be screaming "IT'S SHIPPED NOT SOLD!!" when MS releases their Kinect numbers.

@jneul

lol, I forgot to point out that those numbers are without Japan.  Something tells me Japan is going to have very similar numbers to US and Canada.  Actually, that brings up another point.  That 1 mil shipped figure is reportedly only for the US and Canada, and does not include the whole of Americas.