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themanwithnoname on 24 September 2010
yo_john117 said:
themanwithnoname said:
psrock said:

BTW

I have just the list but I also wanted to share an interesting data point: (that has been double checked) Halo: Reach was the number one game on Xbox LIVE for the past seven days and had nearly four times as many unique users playing the game on Xbox LIVE vs. Halo 3 for the week of Sept. 13.

http://majornelson.com/

 

This just a response to live activity from last week in which major nelson made an error.

this last weeks top played games

Xbox 360 Top LIVE Titles (based on UU’s)

1 Modern Warfare 2 
2 Halo: Reach
3 Halo 3
4 Call of Duty: WaW
5 FIFA Soccer 11 Dem
6 FIFA 10
7 Call of Duty 4 (Purchase the full game for direct download)
8 Madden NFL 11
9 GTA IV (Purchase the full game for direct download)
10 Battlefield Bad Co. 2
11 Gears of War 2
12 Red Dead Redemption
13 Halo 3: ODST
14 Forza Motorsport 3 (Download the demo)
15 Left 4 Dead 2
16 NBA 2K11 Demo
17 NHL 11
18 NCAA Football 11
19 Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 Demo
20 Madden NFL 10

  Halo Reach is not numero uno.

Major Nelson contradicted himself in that post. Reread the sentence you bolded again.

I don't believe for 1 second that MW2 beat Halo Reach for unique users....thats just impossible.  Halo Reach averages 600k people online whilst MW2 averages 250k.


You should've seen my reaction when they were trying to say Halo 3 had more than Reach.



themanwithnoname's law: As an America's sales or NPD thread grows longer, the probabilty of the comment "America = World" [sarcasticly] being made approaches 1.

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yo_john117 on 24 September 2010
themanwithnoname said:
yo_john117 said:
themanwithnoname said:
psrock said:

BTW

I have just the list but I also wanted to share an interesting data point: (that has been double checked) Halo: Reach was the number one game on Xbox LIVE for the past seven days and had nearly four times as many unique users playing the game on Xbox LIVE vs. Halo 3 for the week of Sept. 13.

http://majornelson.com/

 

This just a response to live activity from last week in which major nelson made an error.

this last weeks top played games

Xbox 360 Top LIVE Titles (based on UU’s)

1 Modern Warfare 2 
2 Halo: Reach
3 Halo 3
4 Call of Duty: WaW
5 FIFA Soccer 11 Dem
6 FIFA 10
7 Call of Duty 4 (Purchase the full game for direct download)
8 Madden NFL 11
9 GTA IV (Purchase the full game for direct download)
10 Battlefield Bad Co. 2
11 Gears of War 2
12 Red Dead Redemption
13 Halo 3: ODST
14 Forza Motorsport 3 (Download the demo)
15 Left 4 Dead 2
16 NBA 2K11 Demo
17 NHL 11
18 NCAA Football 11
19 Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 Demo
20 Madden NFL 10

  Halo Reach is not numero uno.

Major Nelson contradicted himself in that post. Reread the sentence you bolded again.

I don't believe for 1 second that MW2 beat Halo Reach for unique users....thats just impossible.  Halo Reach averages 600k people online whilst MW2 averages 250k.


You should've seen my reaction when they were trying to say Halo 3 had more than Reach.

0_o

So is this confirmed to be fake numbers?



wfz on 24 September 2010
Nomad Blue said:
wfz said:
Baalzamon said:

that's cool how they compare it at first to what an old game like Halo 3 is currently doing.  How about they compare it to the launch of a newer massive game such as MW2, I'm sure the stats are similar, maybe a little higher for reach.


Epic post. Read the OP next time. Well actually we'd never have interesting posts like these if everyone did read the OP properly. So keep up the great work, this site wouldn't be the same without you! <3

 

The numbers are surprising, but could we really be undertracking such a hot title by so much? How could such drastic miscalculations be had about such a big game? I would assume the bigger the game, the easier it is to track, but I guess I'm wrong!


Maybe you should?

"On Tuesday, 09/14/2010 at approximately 1:30 pm PST, just a few hours after launch, Halo: Reach’s online unique user count had already completely eclipsed Halo 3’s total tally for the entirety of the week (09/13 through 09/20)."

"To account for the same number of online players found in Halo: Reach during that same window (just six days), we had to run the numbers for Halo 3 going all the way back to 8/6/2010, encompassing a full 45 days of Halo 3 play!"

 

You were so close.

So close.


to getting to the third dot.

"Ultimately, Halo: Reach’s online population for the first week dwarfed Halo 3’s by comparison, snagging four times the number of total unique users and decimating Halo 3’s all time high of concurrent users by more than 65%."



Nomad Blue on 24 September 2010
wfz said:
Nomad Blue said:
wfz said:
Baalzamon said:

that's cool how they compare it at first to what an old game like Halo 3 is currently doing.  How about they compare it to the launch of a newer massive game such as MW2, I'm sure the stats are similar, maybe a little higher for reach.


Epic post. Read the OP next time. Well actually we'd never have interesting posts like these if everyone did read the OP properly. So keep up the great work, this site wouldn't be the same without you! <3

 

The numbers are surprising, but could we really be undertracking such a hot title by so much? How could such drastic miscalculations be had about such a big game? I would assume the bigger the game, the easier it is to track, but I guess I'm wrong!


Maybe you should?

"On Tuesday, 09/14/2010 at approximately 1:30 pm PST, just a few hours after launch, Halo: Reach’s online unique user count had already completely eclipsed Halo 3’s total tally for the entirety of the week (09/13 through 09/20)."

"To account for the same number of online players found in Halo: Reach during that same window (just six days), we had to run the numbers for Halo 3 going all the way back to 8/6/2010, encompassing a full 45 days of Halo 3 play!"

 

You were so close.

So close.


to getting to the third dot.

"Ultimately, Halo: Reach’s online population for the first week dwarfed Halo 3’s by comparison, snagging four times the number of total unique users and decimating Halo 3’s all time high of concurrent users by more than 65%."

I'll take this slowly, just for you...

Baalzamon - "that's cool how they compare it at first to what an old game like Halo 3 is currently doing"

wfz - "Epic post. Read the OP next time."

The OP - "Halo 3’s total tally for the entirety of the week (09/13 through 09/20)" & "we had to run the numbers for Halo 3 going all the way back to 8/6/2010"

Could you also tell me, how many copies of Halo:Reach were rented last week, and how many were loaned to friends?



themanwithnoname on 24 September 2010
yo_john117 said:
themanwithnoname said:
yo_john117 said:
themanwithnoname said:
psrock said:

BTW

I have just the list but I also wanted to share an interesting data point: (that has been double checked) Halo: Reach was the number one game on Xbox LIVE for the past seven days and had nearly four times as many unique users playing the game on Xbox LIVE vs. Halo 3 for the week of Sept. 13.

http://majornelson.com/

 

This just a response to live activity from last week in which major nelson made an error.

this last weeks top played games

Xbox 360 Top LIVE Titles (based on UU’s)

1 Modern Warfare 2 
2 Halo: Reach
3 Halo 3
4 Call of Duty: WaW
5 FIFA Soccer 11 Dem
6 FIFA 10
7 Call of Duty 4 (Purchase the full game for direct download)
8 Madden NFL 11
9 GTA IV (Purchase the full game for direct download)
10 Battlefield Bad Co. 2
11 Gears of War 2
12 Red Dead Redemption
13 Halo 3: ODST
14 Forza Motorsport 3 (Download the demo)
15 Left 4 Dead 2
16 NBA 2K11 Demo
17 NHL 11
18 NCAA Football 11
19 Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 Demo
20 Madden NFL 10

  Halo Reach is not numero uno.

Major Nelson contradicted himself in that post. Reread the sentence you bolded again.

I don't believe for 1 second that MW2 beat Halo Reach for unique users....thats just impossible.  Halo Reach averages 600k people online whilst MW2 averages 250k.


You should've seen my reaction when they were trying to say Halo 3 had more than Reach.

0_o

So is this confirmed to be fake numbers?

Well, he said he made a mistake with the numbers and put Halo 3 ahead of it, then went back and redid it now with a contradiction. This week's numbers have been shot now, I don't know what to believe.



themanwithnoname's law: As an America's sales or NPD thread grows longer, the probabilty of the comment "America = World" [sarcasticly] being made approaches 1.

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wfz on 24 September 2010
Nomad Blue said:
wfz said:
Nomad Blue said:
wfz said:
Baalzamon said:

that's cool how they compare it at first to what an old game like Halo 3 is currently doing.  How about they compare it to the launch of a newer massive game such as MW2, I'm sure the stats are similar, maybe a little higher for reach.


Epic post. Read the OP next time. Well actually we'd never have interesting posts like these if everyone did read the OP properly. So keep up the great work, this site wouldn't be the same without you! <3

 

The numbers are surprising, but could we really be undertracking such a hot title by so much? How could such drastic miscalculations be had about such a big game? I would assume the bigger the game, the easier it is to track, but I guess I'm wrong!


Maybe you should?

"On Tuesday, 09/14/2010 at approximately 1:30 pm PST, just a few hours after launch, Halo: Reach’s online unique user count had already completely eclipsed Halo 3’s total tally for the entirety of the week (09/13 through 09/20)."

"To account for the same number of online players found in Halo: Reach during that same window (just six days), we had to run the numbers for Halo 3 going all the way back to 8/6/2010, encompassing a full 45 days of Halo 3 play!"

 

You were so close.

So close.


to getting to the third dot.

"Ultimately, Halo: Reach’s online population for the first week dwarfed Halo 3’s by comparison, snagging four times the number of total unique users and decimating Halo 3’s all time high of concurrent users by more than 65%."

I'll take this slowly, just for you...

Baalzamon - "that's cool how they compare it at first to what an old game like Halo 3 is currently doing"

wfz - "Epic post. Read the OP next time."

The OP - "Halo 3’s total tally for the entirety of the week (09/13 through 09/20)" & "we had to run the numbers for Halo 3 going all the way back to 8/6/2010"

Could you also tell me, how many copies of Halo:Reach were rented last week, and how many were loaned to friends?

The third dot, which you keep ignoring, was comparing Reach's first week to 3's first week, and then 3's total best for users online. Am I reading that wrong? >_< So it was comparing it to H3's initial week.

 

Yes, it was comparing to H3's current stats in the first two bullets, but in the third one it then compared to H3's first week. So I'm failing to see what I am getting wrong.

 

No, I can't tell you how many copies were rented or lent, but what does that have to do with anything I said in this thread?



Jadedx on 24 September 2010
spdk1 said:

are people forgetting that folks rent the game, borrow the game, pirate the game...online players is not indicattive of sales, if that was the case Demi God would be a multiple platinum seller in Russia.


They can tell Who is pirating the game, most of those people get banned right away, and as for Rentals for the first week each rental can pretty much be called a sale since most people will have the game for more than a week.



daveJ on 24 September 2010

There is little to be told from the Bungie guys posts

EXCEPT confirmation that

MW2 asswoped halo - reach's sales

now this needs to be discussed, [smile]

why did microsofts number one franchise get such an asswhopping, how can microsoft improve this with the next halo game.

speaking as a halo fan I want to sit down and discuss but my ass is sore from all this asswhooping



All bow to me the VGChartz current reigning 3DS prediction champion 

 Bet with tbone51: Pokeon X & pokemon Y will not sell more than 8 million in 2013

 jarrod said:The Xbox360 or ps3 will not sell more than 75million units

July 2009 daveJ said: True the wii has a large lead now but by 2017 the most likely result will be 1. ps3 2. xbox360 3. wii <-- wii's successor launched in 2011 effectively killing sales of the wii

 2009 daveJ said: The wii will not break the 50% marketshare barrier it will go below the 40% marketshare barrier though in the future. VGChartz members: Impossible, youre an idiot that knows nothing about sales

Makaha on 24 September 2010
TheSource said:

There are 40m X360s worldwide, give or take. You're not opening to much more than 4m on a base that size - no matter how good a game is, only a certain percentage of the audience needs it immediately, its a pretty hard limit. DQIX opened to 2.3m, on a 30m DS base in Japan, Pokemon Black / White opened to 2.6m on 31m base in Japan. Modern Warfare 2 opened to 8m on a 60m combined PS3 / X360 base, and 4.9m on the 33m X360 base...but that was partly driven by holiday madness. This is September. Halo 2 and Halo 3 both opened in the 3m range.


This.

 

 



 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3oVRJm-RBU

Makaha on 24 September 2010
TheSource said:

There are 40m X360s worldwide, give or take. You're not opening to much more than 4m on a base that size - no matter how good a game is, only a certain percentage of the audience needs it immediately, its a pretty hard limit. DQIX opened to 2.3m, on a 30m DS base in Japan, Pokemon Black / White opened to 2.6m on 31m base in Japan. Modern Warfare 2 opened to 8m on a 60m combined PS3 / X360 base, and 4.9m on the 33m X360 base...but that was partly driven by holiday madness. This is September. Halo 2 and Halo 3 both opened in the 3m range.


This.



 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3oVRJm-RBU