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raygun said:

I love all the posts saying 'when will PS3 catch up to 360?' Imagine 2 cars in a 4 lap car race, and the 360 car gets a 1 lap head start. People are saying the 360 is ahead? Right! Well, to even things out, lets factor in that extra 'lap' of sales, 5.9 million xbox360's in it's first year. You can either minus that from the total 360 sales (42 m) or add it to the PS3 sales (36.6m) to nullify that head start, either way PS3 is ahead, 36m for 360 vs 36.6m for PS3, or 42m 360 vs 42.6m PS3. When a race has staggered starting of the contestants, you don't look at who's nearest the finish line, but their distance/time for the race so far. 

let's put apart for a moment your flawed logic...and let's concentrate on pure math.

Let's start by saying that the week before the Ps3 launch the x360 WW total was about 5.3M (and not 5.9)...now the gap is about 5.4M: let's add it to actual PS3 WW total..and you know what? PS3 is still behind. (= your math needs a refresh as your logic)



2008 year end sales (made in January 2008):

44.2 M 27.1 M 20.8 M

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what can we say? its a fun descussion to talk about lol.. plus the 360 and ps3 are closest to each other in sales




Spectrumglr said:
raygun said:

I love all the posts saying 'when will PS3 catch up to 360?' Imagine 2 cars in a 4 lap car race, and the 360 car gets a 1 lap head start. People are saying the 360 is ahead? Right! Well, to even things out, lets factor in that extra 'lap' of sales, 5.9 million xbox360's in it's first year. You can either minus that from the total 360 sales (42 m) or add it to the PS3 sales (36.6m) to nullify that head start, either way PS3 is ahead, 36m for 360 vs 36.6m for PS3, or 42m 360 vs 42.6m PS3. When a race has staggered starting of the contestants, you don't look at who's nearest the finish line, but their distance/time for the race so far. 

let's put apart for a moment your flawed logic...and let's concentrate on pure math.

Let's start by saying that the week before the Ps3 launch the x360 WW total was about 5.3M (and not 5.9)...now the gap is about 5.4M: let's add it to actual PS3 WW total..and you know what? PS3 is still behind. (= your math needs a refresh as your logic)


Its not that his logic isn't sound. Data can be interpreted in many ways. I agree that the "important" measure is what they are currently at right now. But to the people saying the logic is flawed. In 2013ish (give or take) when 360 is gone and the ps3 is still going strong for a year or two (give or take) will the same people change their logic saying 360 quit while they were ahead and was the rightful leader at the exact moment they quit but not a year or 2 down the road?



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TauKappaNASA said:
Spectrumglr said:
raygun said:

I love all the posts saying 'when will PS3 catch up to 360?' Imagine 2 cars in a 4 lap car race, and the 360 car gets a 1 lap head start. People are saying the 360 is ahead? Right! Well, to even things out, lets factor in that extra 'lap' of sales, 5.9 million xbox360's in it's first year. You can either minus that from the total 360 sales (42 m) or add it to the PS3 sales (36.6m) to nullify that head start, either way PS3 is ahead, 36m for 360 vs 36.6m for PS3, or 42m 360 vs 42.6m PS3. When a race has staggered starting of the contestants, you don't look at who's nearest the finish line, but their distance/time for the race so far. 

let's put apart for a moment your flawed logic...and let's concentrate on pure math.

Let's start by saying that the week before the Ps3 launch the x360 WW total was about 5.3M (and not 5.9)...now the gap is about 5.4M: let's add it to actual PS3 WW total..and you know what? PS3 is still behind. (= your math needs a refresh as your logic)


Its not that his logic isn't sound. Data can be interpreted in many ways. I agree that the "important" measure is what they are currently at right now. But to the people saying the logic is flawed. In 2013ish (give or take) when 360 is gone and the ps3 is still going strong for a year or two (give or take) will the same people change their logic saying 360 quit while they were ahead and was the rightful leader at the exact moment they quit but not a year or 2 down the road?


again i don't understand why people continue to state that Ps3 will last longer..there's no reason for a company to quit a project as long as it's succesful and on the other side there's no reason to proloungue the life of something that fails to reach its objective by a long shot.

Ms and Sony don't have to do something because the people here expect them to do so:

  • if MS quits x360 this won't happen because of a "five-years-plan" (like it was set in stone from the beginning of time) but simply  because x360 is no more profitable.
  • if Sony prolongue the life of the PS3 to 12 years this won't be because of a supposed "12-years-plan" but because the PS3 is still profitable

as of now there'se no single reason for MS to quit x360 before Sony quits its PS3...surrender to this fact.



2008 year end sales (made in January 2008):

44.2 M 27.1 M 20.8 M

Spectrumglr said:
TauKappaNASA said:


Its not that his logic isn't sound. Data can be interpreted in many ways. I agree that the "important" measure is what they are currently at right now. But to the people saying the logic is flawed. In 2013ish (give or take) when 360 is gone and the ps3 is still going strong for a year or two (give or take) will the same people change their logic saying 360 quit while they were ahead and was the rightful leader at the exact moment they quit but not a year or 2 down the road?


again i don't understand why people continue to state that Ps3 will last longer..there's no reason for a company to quit a project as long as it's succesful and on the other side there's no reason to proloungue the life of something that fails to reach its objective by a long shot.

Ms and Sony don't have to do something because the people here expect them to do so:

  • if MS quits x360 this won't happen because of a "five-years-plan" (like it was set in stone from the beginning of time) but simply  because x360 is no more profitable.
  • if Sony prolongue the life of the PS3 to 12 years this won't be because of a supposed "12-years-plan" but because the PS3 is still profitable

as of now there'se no single reason for MS to quit x360 before Sony quits its PS3...surrender to this fact.

PS3 having simlar sale at an higher price point (at an average for past 4 years), blu ray/3d getting more and more attention and the army of first party pumping exclusives for their console can probably allow Sony to support it longer. Tough, Its not a fact, only an educated guess. Kinect might become a "it" item which would allow Microsoft to support 360 longer, who knows.



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Sony had lost everything..

Who had thought that the ps3, only will do the same as x-box 360..

On top of that.. Nintendo are back... stronger than ever..

 

 



Icyedge said:
Spectrumglr said:
TauKappaNASA said:
 


Its not that his logic isn't sound. Data can be interpreted in many ways. I agree that the "important" measure is what they are currently at right now. But to the people saying the logic is flawed. In 2013ish (give or take) when 360 is gone and the ps3 is still going strong for a year or two (give or take) will the same people change their logic saying 360 quit while they were ahead and was the rightful leader at the exact moment they quit but not a year or 2 down the road?


again i don't understand why people continue to state that Ps3 will last longer..there's no reason for a company to quit a project as long as it's succesful and on the other side there's no reason to proloungue the life of something that fails to reach its objective by a long shot.

Ms and Sony don't have to do something because the people here expect them to do so:

  • if MS quits x360 this won't happen because of a "five-years-plan" (like it was set in stone from the beginning of time) but simply  because x360 is no more profitable.
  • if Sony prolongue the life of the PS3 to 12 years this won't be because of a supposed "12-years-plan" but because the PS3 is still profitable

as of now there'se no single reason for MS to quit x360 before Sony quits its PS3...surrender to this fact.

PS3 having simlar sale at an higher price point (at an average for past 4 years), blu ray/3d getting more and more attention and the army of first party pumping exclusives for their console can probably allow Sony to support it longer. Tough, Its not a fact, only an educated guess. Kinect might become a "it" item which would allow Microsoft to support 360 longer, who knows.

  • PS3 having similar sale at higher price point is not something that should bother a company..having profit is and right now MS is having comprable profit per unit at lower price point (if not "higher profit").
  • bluray argument is going to end soon...when you see players for under 100$ there's no reason to buy a PS3 if you like movies...and BTW you can still buy a x360 arcade and a BR player for the same price
  • 3D is not a factor at all...Blu ray is gaining some momentum this year (in its 4th year) and 3d is a new techonology in its 1st year. I don't expect to become a popular feature in less than 4 year from now (actually i still doubt it will become a popular feature at all but that's another story). 
  • there's no thing like "ps3 is 3d capable and x360 is not"..they're both 3d capable.
  • there's no reason for 3rd party developer to quit 42M and counting userbase (multiplat is the direction that game developers took in case you lived on Mars in the last 12 months)...this unless on the market there's a platform that is capable of things that the other platform can only dream of (and that's not the case of ps3 vs x360)
  • MS is going to launch kinect this fall...what's the point of launching a feature when you're going to quit the system in let's say 1 or 2 years?
  • Ms has just redesigned the console..again what's the point of doing so if it's true that by fall 2011 MS will quit the x360?


  • 2008 year end sales (made in January 2008):

    44.2 M 27.1 M 20.8 M

    MadeInDK said:

    Sony had lost everything..

    Who had thought that the ps3, only will do the same as x-box 360..

    On top of that.. Nintendo are back... stronger than ever..

     

     

    Anyone could have tought that, with a much more expensive console, low HDTV/blu ray penetration and different architecture, this was obvious. They were and still are aiming on the long run. The simple fact the next mass format is blu ray is already a win for them. They didnt lost everything at all.



    Spectrumglr said:
  • PS3 having similar sale at higher price point is not something that should bother a company..having profit is and right now MS is having comprable profit per unit at lower price point (if not "higher profit").
  • bluray argument is going to end soon...when you see players for under 100$ there's no reason to buy a PS3 if you like movies...and BTW you can still buy a x360 arcade and a BR player for the same price
  • 3D is not a factor at all...Blu ray is gaining some momentum this year (in its 4th year) and 3d is a new techonology in its 1st year. I don't expect to become a popular feature in less than 4 year from now (actually i still doubt it will become a popular feature at all but that's another story). 
  • there's no thing like "ps3 is 3d capable and x360 is not"..they're both 3d capable.
  • there's no reason for 3rd party developer to quit 42M and counting userbase (multiplat is the direction that game developers took in case you lived on Mars in the last 12 months)...this unless on the market there's a platform that is capable of things that the other platform can only dream of (and that's not the case of ps3 vs x360)
  • MS is going to launch kinect this fall...what's the point of launching a feature when you're going to quit the system in let's say 1 or 2 years?
  • Ms has just redesigned the console..again what's the point of doing so if it's true that by fall 2011 MS will quit the x360?

  • You didnt get my point, if they are having similar sales at higher price point this gives them more room to entice new consumers in the future. The blu ray argument will always makes sense, since your getting also a game console. When blu ray play will be 99$ PS3 will probably be 199$. Theres consumers that will surely want to get both. Its impossible 3D isnt a factor at all, you could say not a big factor tough. All your other point arent related to what I was saying at all... never said MS was going to stop supporting 360 anytime soon.

    And between, my argument about first party is that Sony is able to support their console with games by themselves not that third party arent important. Do you live on mars?



    Icyedge said:
    Spectrumglr said:
  • PS3 having similar sale at higher price point is not something that should bother a company..having profit is and right now MS is having comprable profit per unit at lower price point (if not "higher profit").
  • bluray argument is going to end soon...when you see players for under 100$ there's no reason to buy a PS3 if you like movies...and BTW you can still buy a x360 arcade and a BR player for the same price
  • 3D is not a factor at all...Blu ray is gaining some momentum this year (in its 4th year) and 3d is a new techonology in its 1st year. I don't expect to become a popular feature in less than 4 year from now (actually i still doubt it will become a popular feature at all but that's another story). 
  • there's no thing like "ps3 is 3d capable and x360 is not"..they're both 3d capable.
  • there's no reason for 3rd party developer to quit 42M and counting userbase (multiplat is the direction that game developers took in case you lived on Mars in the last 12 months)...this unless on the market there's a platform that is capable of things that the other platform can only dream of (and that's not the case of ps3 vs x360)
  • MS is going to launch kinect this fall...what's the point of launching a feature when you're going to quit the system in let's say 1 or 2 years?
  • Ms has just redesigned the console..again what's the point of doing so if it's true that by fall 2011 MS will quit the x360?

  • You didnt get my point, if they are having similar sales at higher price point this gives them more room to entice new consumers in the future. The blu ray argument will always makes sense, since your getting also a game console. When blu ray play will be 99$ PS3 will probably be 199$. Theres consumers that will surely want to get both. Its impossible 3D isnt a factor at all, you could say not a big factor tough. All your other point arent related to what I was saying at all... never said MS was going to stop supporting 360 anytime soon.

    And between, my argument about first party is that Sony is able to support their console with games by themselves not that third party arent important. Do you live on mars?

    1. Entry level BR players cost 99$ right now (see samsung bdp1580)...you don't have to wait that PS3 slashes its price to 199$ (price point that will be reached at least 1 year from now, more likely 2 years). BTW when ps3 will be 199$ there will be Br players for 50$.
    2. a company thinks the other way round: if i get the same sales at higher price point i don't see the reason to cut my profits. Also PS3 became profitable recently: i don't think you can go to the share holeder meeting and in the wake of crysis say "let's cut our profits!". So you can cut profits but you should be forced to do so: you don't cut your profits just to recover a gap becaouse you like to see VGChartz home page with the red bar at the same height of the green one.
    3. i said that 3D is not a factor...but i also added that in case it became important in the near future there's no thing like "ps3 is 3d ready and x360 is not": they're both capable. it's not a selling point that ps3 can play against x360.

    to me MS will support x360 as long as Sony will support PS3.



    2008 year end sales (made in January 2008):

    44.2 M 27.1 M 20.8 M