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jason1637 said:
the-pi-guy said:

Let's talk about something else.

So one thing I don't get is when some people say that a minimum wage increase would lead to people getting fewer hours, as if that by itself were a terrible thing. People bring this up as if by itself with no other factors in play, this is a bad thing.

If I can make the same amount of money in half the time, why's that dreadful? If I'm currently doing 40 hours a week at minimum wage, doing 20 hours at $15 would be a better situation. Even if that's all I did, and I wasn't really making more money, I'd still be in a better place because i have more free time.  

And potentially with that free time, if I needed more money, I could get another job that probably would also give me 20 hours a week.  And then I'm back to working 40 hours a week, but I'm making double what I was before.   

I saw a Freedom Toons video about how they were right that Bernie had to cut hours to hit the $15/hour.  Despite the fact that these people were making exactly the same amount of money.  It ends up being the dumbest "gotcha libs" ever. 

I feel that the minimum wage should be increased but just not to $15. Maybe like $11 or $12. Fewer hours is a plus for some people but another effect of an increase would be loss of jobs.

I agree with lower minimum wage to no minimum wage to cover friend/family business type work for secondary income earners and teenagers. But the fact that household top-earners pay as little as 11 or 12 USD per hour should be distressingly problematic. It is a symptom of a broken economy. The key part of the solution would be strengthening the worker unions. There's also the technology boom to contend with, you don't want to halt the progress of automation, but at the same time, you don't want the profits to go to capitalist owners of automation.



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