Are we all becoming pagan again?

[Mr Puggsly]

MrWayne said:

Mr Puggsly said:

Pretty sure Rome was on the decline by the time that happen. There was a lack of unity, poorly run government, they started relying on foreigners to fight their battles, etc.

Christianity doesent ruin countries, empires or whatever, atleast not by design. Its not Islam which plays a much bigger role in how countries operate.

Just a quick note on this point. Rom relied on foreigners in their army since almost the beginning, it was a major way to integrate the people in the newly conquered territories into the Roman society. Many historians think that the inability of the late Western Roman Empire to integrate the germanic tribes, who migrated into the empire and made up large parts of the roman military force, undermined the political system and eventually lead to the downfall of the Westen empire.

Also, many people seem to forget that the Eastern Roman Empire lasted almost another 1000 years after the downfall of the Western Empire.

To your second point, it is true that christianity doesn't ruin countries by design but the same is true for Islam so I wonder what you mean in the second part when you talk about how countries operate.

Islamic countries are the way they're because they follow the Koran. Its not just religion to them, its pretty much their entire culture and how policy is conducted.

Could we are there is a Christian state? There has been a lot more interpretation here, some argue The Old Testament has little relevance to Christianity given it was essentially a reform.

There is a difference between conquering land, bringing people into your empire and getting them to fight your battles versus paying foreigners simply to fight your battles. I do believe it really fell apart for economic reasons, the paid mercenaries weren't assimilated, weren't treated well, so had no loyalty to Rome. I could be wrong, its been a while but that's a fairly common argument.

The Holy Roman empire was not holy... don't think it was Roman... pretty sure it wasn't an empire either.