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[Jaicee]

the-pi-guy said:

Except liberals don't want women to be forced into these jobs.  Just that women should be allowed to make the choice to pursue that work if they want to.

And not just that women are able to pursue those jobs, but also they have absolute control over how they pursue their jobs.  

Female porn stars don't have to have sex with anyone.  They only have sex if they consent to doing so.  

Jaicee said:

To your second point, the fact that market forces spontaneously favor the interests of men in the context of a larger, patriarchal social reality is neither surprising nor a good excuse as far as I'm concerned. (You may have noticed that I'm not the biggest fan of the free market.)

There is absolutely a patriarchal social issue where women are viewed that way, but you'll find that countries where women have more freedoms to pursue sex work have more rights for women in general.

Jaicee said:

Essentially. I'm not in favor of punishing the prostituted women or what have you for being sucked into these sorts of fields, as I really feel like that's a kind of victim-blaming, but I do think it should be a criminal offense to buy sex, that online pornography should be blocked, that no one should be allowed to hire an impoverished woman to use her as a womb, have her endure a full pregnancy and post-partum depression, and then take what is by all rights and reason her child away from her, etc. No one should be allowed to do these kinds of sick, parasitic things! There's no pay that's high enough to justify their existence.

Some of that is horrific.  

But some women genuinely like making pornography.  A lot of women enjoy watching pornography. 

Just because you find those professions distasteful doesn't mean they aren't enjoyed by women.  

And just because men tend to be the ones buying porn, ie, there's a patriarchal preference for porn, that doesn't mean there aren't women who genuinely enjoy making or watching porn.  

tsogud said:

That's kind of authoritarian of you. You'd be taking the agency away from these individuals. Some of these individuals choose their work and profession. No doubt we can improve the lives of the individuals who work in these fields and we definitely should. But we shouldn't criminalize/demonize these fields of work and dehumanize these individuals because it would only cause harm to the women and men involved. Legalization of these practices means we can provide sufficient healthcare to these women and men to make sure they're safe and taken care of through legislation and regulations.

Sure it might be "parasitic" now but that's because these professions are viewed in a demeaning/dehumanizing way, the same way it seems you view them, and thus the individuals involved don't get the care they deserve because people just want to ban it rather than improving their lives through legalization and regulation.

I understand your argument, there's definitely a big element of misogyny and sexism in these professions, that's clear as day, but that won't be solved by criminalizing them and dehumanizing the people involved. You'd be taking it too far and it's just not logical and ethical to criminalize these professions.

@tsogud and @the-pi-guy 

See my reply to Mr. Wayne here.