sundin13 said:
1) They have their methodology linked within the article which explains in detail what they did with that other 41%. tldr version: They used two calculations. The first was applying suicide attempt percentages to that 41%. The second accounted for seriousness of attempt by applying percentages of only successful suicide attempts. It is not "totally random". 2) Lethality is addressed through the above. They addressed the lethality of the means that people actually use to commit suicide and also included an "Other" section which accounts for the lethality of all niche methods. The reason you don't see a specific category for "Cyanide poisoning" is twofold. One is that this is included in the overall poisoning statistics and two is that it doesn't seem to be very common. The report did not "fail to address" this stuff. It addressed it, but it just wasn't very important. 3) I struggle to understand what point you are trying to make by continually bringing up "accidents". These are different statistics so I'm not sure why you think them "taking it into account" would change anything. 4) Again, you not reading it is not an argument. 5) I largely agree with the points made in in that NAP review. To borrow the summary provided:
Point one and two were largely part of my argument from the beginning. Point three largely addresses the need for additional research on gun control measures which are focused on suicide prevention. As your other source notes, "gun control" could mean a lot of things, so a more specific focus is needed in order to address the question. Again, to take a summary from the NAP review:
But that review is almost fifteen years old now and additional research has been done. I already posted several articles discussing this from after this review was completed, but I will post one more:
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1. The number is random. In their mythology the only state how many people would live by failing while using other methods. They fail to mention the 41% statistic in their methodology. Also since people don't register gun purchases or ownerships the report they used for gun ownership by state is not fully accurate.
2. Well they mention that 20% would be other methods. That's a pretty big and important percentage for them not to break down.
3/4. You posted a statistic of kids aged 10-19 committing suicide with household guns. There's a good possibility that a good chunk of these could have been accidents. The report you posted pertaining to this could have been misleading for not seperating accidents and actual sucide attempts.
5.Gun control could mean different things but the report analyzes over 11 studies of gun control laws and mention 3 others legislation and they still concluded that gun laws reduce gun sucide but there is no evidence to show that they reduce the total amount of sucide in a population.
6. This does not really prove much besides that some states have lower rates and some have higher. Yeah some states with stricter gun laws show lower rates but it's important to look at these rates before and after these laws were passed.
California
Firearm registration law that went into effect 2011. http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&division=6.&title=4.&part=6.&chapter=6.&article=2.
Assault weapon law that mostly expanded the definition of these weapons and but restrictions for those that are in or served in the military. The law wne into effect 2011.http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&division=6.&title=4.&part=6.&chapter=6.&article=2.
Another Assault weapon law that expanded previous laws to ban more guns.Some parts went into effect later in 2016 and other parts early 2018. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1135
Now here is California's sucide rate over the last few years https://www.livestories.com/statistics/california/suicide-deaths-mortality.
Illinois
A law requiring background checks to sell guns from 2012. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1657&ChapAct=430%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B65%2F&ChapterID=39&ChapterName=PUBLIC%2BSAFETY&ActName=Firearm%2BOwners%2BIdentification%2BCard%2BAct%2E
These laws banned some guns and attachments.They went into effect in 2015. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/documents/072000050K24-1.htm http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/fulltext.asp?DocName=072000050K24-2
Here is their sucide rates https://www.livestories.com/statistics/illinois/suicide-deaths-mortality
Btw i picked these states because California had a yes for all the gun laws in the link you provided and Illinois had a yes for 3/4 guns laws. If I have tim I can do it for other states. But yeah the point i'm making is that these states have a lower suicide rates even before some gun legislation were initiated.