At what point is this child abuse? Trans kids.

[Torillian]

Immersiveunreality said:

Torillian said:

What evidence do you have to the contrary that says that trans children supported in their decision still have a higher degree of mental issues? 

Alright, so you've got a descriptive claim that the trans community suffers from higher suicide rates. Now let's try for a normative statement. Mine would be that we should be more accepting of the trans community and that will decrease this rate. My evidence for that is the research I've cited previously. What do you think should be done about this higher suicide rate and what's your evidence that it would work?

I've told you over and over again my position, and you disagree with shit that's never been a part of it. So here, let's make this simple as possible.

Your 3-6 year old says they are a girl when you thought they were a boy. My position is that you should support their exploration and if they switch to saying they're a boy later you support them in that exploration too.

Same situation to you, what do you think should be done?

You view actual support of a child and fictional support as the very same thing as long as it exists under the same idea?

What are you even arguing about.

Bolded :That is kinda your problem in your first comments in this thread you immediately start putting words in other posters mouths and make an argument about something most people just agree on like in this very post you again think we talk about children being "supported".

Also your condencending example is laughable cause people in here are talking about that not all kids firstly know whats healthy for them and that some parents can misuse the whole concept to push genderpolitcal agenda on their own kids but they do not talk about healthy support being bad so you are missing the point of it all.

Again, dont start an argument with me when you need to put words into my mouth to win it.

Btw : I did read the link for your "evidence" and that is good information unrelated to your point but you do not understand the material if you call that evidence and on that very same site there is also lots of research to be found for higher suicide rates in the trans community so it is almost safe to assume you cherrypick information.

NO idea what you're getting at with the first statement, please rephrase.

What I've seen is people equating supporting a kid's gender choices with letting them drink, do drugs, or join a fucking war because kids don't know what they want. Tell me how that isn't assuming harm from the choice, and against the idea of supporting the kid's choices. 

The example gets to the most important question in this entire god damned thread. If you can't answer that then what are you disagreeing with? You think we're talking past each other, fine, tell me your actual position on the example in question and we can really quickly and easily figure out if we actually disagree. So again, your 3-6 year old says they're a girl when you thought they were a boy, what do you do?

Go ahead and explain to me how that evidence doesn't apply and give me the other links. I literally googled the effects of transitioning on transgender suicide rates and found that paper. So if you have other information then link it. Show me a study. 

Here's a link to the study in question to make sure we're talking about the same thing:

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/137/3/e20153223

Last edited by Torillian - on 21 April 2019