At what point is this child abuse? Trans kids.

[Immersiveunreality]

Torillian said:

Immersiveunreality said:

No you better just stop seeing everything so black or white while also assuming thoughts onto others,no one is telling you that supporting a child is bad but you just cant seem to look past that and good you have research showing that they do not have higher suicide rates for trans while ignoring all the counterinfo at the same time.(It is also sad that you think no different suicide rates equals in no suffering even if when that is a faulthy claim)

The transgender community as a whole has a higher suicide rate and the ones that are forcefully included in it belong to that community and if you cannot grasp why people that deal with identity problems have a higher chance at being depressed then i fear you really are not open for discussion.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/4/e20174218

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/special-reports/impact-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-suicide-risk-implications-assessment-and-treatment

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4874761/

Again pay attention,there is nothing wrong with supporting a child but not all of these cases are supporting the child and the concern of people in this thread are for those children and none is against the whole concept but there is still a lot of work needed to make this practice more safe for children because parents can be twisted.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/6-year-old-boy-forced-to-live-as-a-girl-while-mom-threatens-dad-for-not-goi

http://www.mafamily.org/human-sexuality/daddys-boy-forced-to-be-mommys-girl/10075/

http://www.theunknownbutnothidden.com/boy-forced-girl-controversial-nature-vs-nurture-experiment/

People show concern for the children and that should be a good thing so just stop making your assumptions that it must be because they think supporting gender identity is bad and read their posts again before you go on with the hyperbole accuses.

What evidence do you have to the contrary that says that trans children supported in their decision still have a higher degree of mental issues? 

Alright, so you've got a descriptive claim that the trans community suffers from higher suicide rates. Now let's try for a normative statement. Mine would be that we should be more accepting of the trans community and that will decrease this rate. My evidence for that is the research I've cited previously. What do you think should be done about this higher suicide rate and what's your evidence that it would work?

I've told you over and over again my position, and you disagree with shit that's never been a part of it. So here, let's make this simple as possible.

Your 3-6 year old says they are a girl when you thought they were a boy. My position is that you should support their exploration and if they switch to saying they're a boy later you support them in that exploration too.

Same situation to you, what do you think should be done?

You view actual support of a child and fictional support as the very same thing as long as it exists under the same idea?

What are you even arguing about.

Bolded :That is kinda your problem in your first comments in this thread you immediately start putting words in other posters mouths and make an argument about something most people just agree on like in this very post you again think we talk about children being "supported".

Also your condencending example is laughable cause people in here are talking about that not all kids firstly know whats healthy for them and that some parents can misuse the whole concept to push genderpolitcal agenda on their own kids but they do not talk about healthy support being bad so you are missing the point of it all.

Again, dont start an argument with me when you need to put words into my mouth to win it.

Btw : I did read the link for your "evidence" and that is good information unrelated to your point but you do not understand the material if you call that evidence and on that very same site there is also lots of research to be found for higher suicide rates in the trans community so it is almost safe to assume you cherrypick information.