At what point is this child abuse? Trans kids.

[Torillian]

Immersiveunreality said:

Torillian said:

Again, stop just asserting that supporting a child in their gender identity is bad for them and show me the evidence. I've got research showing that trans youth who were supported in their transition have no different suicide rate than the general population. So, if you want to make the claim that supporting a child in that manner is causing them suffering then show me something other than your assertion. 

How in the ever living fuck is supporting a child in whatever they decide about their gender (even if they change it more than once) erasing the individual child? Seriously, draw that link for me. Because I have never said that forcing a child in either direction is the way to go so obviously that first part doesn't apply, and I've seen no research that supporting a child who thinks their trans who later decides otherwise is detrimental. 

No you better just stop seeing everything so black or white while also assuming thoughts onto others,no one is telling you that supporting a child is bad but you just cant seem to look past that and good you have research showing that they do not have higher suicide rates for trans while ignoring all the counterinfo at the same time.(It is also sad that you think no different suicide rates equals in no suffering even if when that is a faulthy claim)

The transgender community as a whole has a higher suicide rate and the ones that are forcefully included in it belong to that community and if you cannot grasp why people that deal with identity problems have a higher chance at being depressed then i fear you really are not open for discussion.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/142/4/e20174218

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/special-reports/impact-sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-suicide-risk-implications-assessment-and-treatment

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4874761/

Again pay attention,there is nothing wrong with supporting a child but not all of these cases are supporting the child and the concern of people in this thread are for those children and none is against the whole concept but there is still a lot of work needed to make this practice more safe for children because parents can be twisted.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/6-year-old-boy-forced-to-live-as-a-girl-while-mom-threatens-dad-for-not-goi

http://www.mafamily.org/human-sexuality/daddys-boy-forced-to-be-mommys-girl/10075/

http://www.theunknownbutnothidden.com/boy-forced-girl-controversial-nature-vs-nurture-experiment/

People show concern for the children and that should be a good thing so just stop making your assumptions that it must be because they think supporting gender identity is bad and read their posts again before you go on with the hyperbole accuses.

What evidence do you have to the contrary that says that trans children supported in their decision still have a higher degree of mental issues? 

Alright, so you've got a descriptive claim that the trans community suffers from higher suicide rates. Now let's try for a normative statement. Mine would be that we should be more accepting of the trans community and that will decrease this rate. My evidence for that is the research I've cited previously. What do you think should be done about this higher suicide rate and what's your evidence that it would work?

I've told you over and over again my position, and you disagree with shit that's never been a part of it. So here, let's make this simple as possible.

Your 3-6 year old says they are a girl when you thought they were a boy. My position is that you should support their exploration and if they switch to saying they're a boy later you support them in that exploration too.

Same situation to you, what do you think should be done?

Last edited by Torillian - on 21 April 2019