Pemalite said:
jason1637 said:
I mean that if the government begins to oppress its people more outside of taxes. Its the people responsibility to fight back.
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So basically... What you are condoning is violence against the Government on a what-if slippery-slope scenario? Do you know who else condoned violence because of a what-if scenario? (Muslims being potential terrorists) The shooter in Christchurch, New Zealand.
If you think a small group of people waving firearms is going to be able to beat a Government with a MODERN and capable military, navy, airforce, coast guard, police, intelligence agencies and more... Then I think you might need to reassess things, untrained civilians holding weapons won't change a single damn thing.
There are other ways to fight back... And that is through appropriate avenues available in all modern, stable, advanced democracies... Like peaceful protests, appropriate voting and so on.
jason1637 said:
I'm not saying that there should be no gun control. I'm just saying that in NZ the laws seem strict enough that I dont see the need for any more gun control besides making it harder for people not fit to have guns to get guns.. They already have background checks which should be enough. They can pass laws that make it harder for menatlly ill people to get guns but banning different type of guns like someone suggested earlier is too much imo.
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Clearly they aren't strict enough if dozens of people just got slaughtered by a right-wing conservative terrorist.
jason1637 said:
Your government might not be opressing you guys now but you never know when they will pull some oppressive shit. If that were to happen then your people will equiped to fight back and protect yourselves from the government.
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You never know when we might get invaded by aliens either.
The argument you are sticking to is a logical fallacy, aka. The Slippery Slope argument and is thus entirely redundant.
Do you ultimately know what keeps the Australian government humble and from being oppressive? The Media.
The Media isn't afraid to report on the governments happenings and create a shit storm... Which then means the Governments chances of being re-elected essentially implodes, it's happened tons of times.
Plus the constitution and other checks and balances in our Democracy keeps things in check.
But leveraging the politics of fear for a what-if scenario that might not ever happen is just silly and nonsensical and shouldn't be adhered to, regardless of what side of the political divide you fall on.
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1. If the government begins to oppress its citizens and takes away their rights then citizens should get their weapons and fight back. In some countries that the government have expressed their people the elections are rigged and peaceful protests are meet with military action.
2. Well the government should have took his guns away. Apparently reports say the guy has been planning this attack for a while.
3. Well unlike aliens governments have a history of oppressing their people throughout history. It would ne naive to think you are safe from the government and that it cant happen again.
The media are private corporations and can always be bought out. Also if the government tries to restrict press privileges than the media won't do much for you.
There are lot of civilizations and countries that have had a constitution and checks and balances but end up going down due to their oppressive governments.
