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potato_hamster on 12 March 2019
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KBG29 said:
potato_hamster said:

Sony isn't going to do anything you suggested for obvious reasons that you pretend are irrelevant, and the PS5 will still not be the vita of the console market.

Apple technically has a "gaming platform" right now. Here. Watch some random play Angry Birds on the apple TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIIORzt33xU

There's no reason to suspect their boxes will be anything more than Ouya 2.0. Like great, my wife will be able to play bejeweled blitz and pokemon go from the comfort of her own home -  so what? The console gaming market is small potatoes for Apple and Google, and the barriers to enter and compete and fucking massive compared to pretty much anything else. You can't even convince apple or google to spend 1/10th the cost of a AAA gaming budget to make a smartphone game as it is since there is about a 0% chance you're going to convince your average cellphone/tablet user to spend $60 on a game for their phone, and they're not gonna care less about being able to play that game on TVs or car stereos, much less be willing to pay extra for it. What makes you think Apple/Google are going to do that for a device that will at best sell a small fraction of what smartphone and tablet sales amount to? They just don't care, and will continue to not care. Like I said, it's small potatoes and it's an established industry. There's no reason to Apple or Google to pick up that torch and fight Sony and Nintendo over video games.

Sony's going to do what Sony does best. Make solid gaming hardware, and give people reasons to buy that over the other options. That certainly doesn't involve putting putting an OS as bloated as the Playstation OS on fucking TVs and smartphones. Sony already had their own offerings and moved away from them for every obvious reasons that you still want to pretend are irrelevant.

I don't think either one of us is ever going to budge on our opinions on this matter. All I can say is Google is absolutely coming for the gaming market, and Android has basically wiped out Bravia and Xperia, and cost Sony more losses than anything else in the history of the company. Sony failed to keep up with the industry in the mobile space with PlayStation and it is the worst decision the company has ever made. As I see it, if they fail to keep up with the rest of the industry in the home space, people will leave just as fast.

If they fail with the PlayStation ecosystem, they have no where to turn. People are not going to buy a Console from them that runs Android or Windows. I do not believe for a second that a single PS5 console will compete against PC, TV, Set Top Box, Tablet, Smartphone, and Handheld offerings from the rest of the market, when people can get Halo, Call of Duty, Gears of War, Grand Theft Auto, Fifa, NBA 2K, and everything else 3rd party and Microsoft on every other device. PlayStation will by far offer the worst value for 3rd party titles, while requiring a Proprietary device that exists outside of everything else in peoples connected lives. I do not believe Sony can dominate the market on exclusives alone, and if things go the way they are looking right now, that is all they will have.

Android didn't "wipe out Bravia and Xperia".  That's an operating system. Samsung and Apple wiped out Sony's Xperia line (as well as utterly decimated the OS kings, Microsoft at their own game. As for TVs. Ask yout average TV user what operating system their TV runs and they'll look at you funny. No one really gives a shit about the operating system their TV runs. All they care about is whether it has the apps they want and whether those apps work the way they should.

Why would Sony make a console that runs Android or Windows? You make zero sense. People buy game consoles to play video games. As long as it has an app package that's "good enough" that's all that matters. Whether or not you can view .pdfs or check your email on your PS5 isn't going to matter at all to a prospective buyer.

The PlayStation 4 already competes against PC, TV, Set Top Boxes, Tablets, Smartphones  and Handheld offerings and are on the verge of 100 million in sales. Why would the PS5 suddenly not be able to compete? Because now you can play Gears of War or Forza streamed to a tablet? And again, here's the part you keep ignoring. Tablet owners aren't willing to spend $60 to play Forza on a tablet (with touch screen controls no less). How are game developers going to make money selling their games on platforms with userbases that are unwilling to pay for them? You can get FIFA on iOS and Android, and shockingly, EA still managed to sell nearly 12 million copies PS4 alone, and that's just hard copies. Why would this change? Exclusives only matter when third party offerings are equal or near equal. That's why when someone is choosing between a PS4 and a Switch, it doesn't matter that Madden is also on Xbox, it matters that Madden is not on Switch. And if Switch get's some type of tablet/touchscreen version of Madden for that sells for $8 on the store? People are still going to lean towards buying a PS4 to play the Madden they want to play - in front of a TV with a controller.

You arguments aren't based on any kind of sound reasoning. You're treating game consoles as if they're PCs or TVs or set top boxes or whatever. They're not. Google is just going to quirt out device after device that runs Android and users the google play store like the next Ouya and let Sony do their own thing.