How Democrats Went from Opposing Illegal Immigration to Supporting it.

[Mr Puggsly]

the-pi-guy said:

Mr Puggsly said:

Just doing news searches on the topic show me its likely over a dozen and its unlikely they catch everyone doing it. Not really look to debate it, lets just agree it happens.

Pretty much anything that isn't against the laws of physics happens.  So it's pointless.  There's absolutely no evidence that it's a widespread issue.  

https://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/blog-post/numbers-voter-fraud

Mr Puggsly said:

Every time I see a voter fraud story it tends to be for left leaning support. Not sure how I'm missing all this republican support in the news. If true, democrats should make that known. But then democrats would have to admit it exist.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/0-000002-percent-of-all-the-ballots-cast-in-the-2016-election-were-fraudulent/?utm_term=.6e6052e3aaf0

In 2016, there were 4 people arrested for voter fraud.  None of them voted for Democrats.  

Of course, Democrats admit voter fraud happens. If you think they don't, you're being lied to.  The argument that Democrats make is that it's so incredibly rare that fixing the problem costs more than having it go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto

Mr Puggsly said:

Voter IDs get attacked as voter suppression. But I noticed recently some states with voter IDs have the highest voter turn outs in the country. I really don't buy the argument that it hurts minorities, unless you're an illegal minority I guess.

 

Voter ID Laws's aren't suppression, the problem is ensuring that those ID's are available to everyone citizen who should have the right to vote.  

Mr Puggsly said:

Democrats wanting to give criminals voting rights is because they know criminals are among their base. They just don't want to admit their true intentions.

I didn't deny that Democrats wanted to give criminals voting rights, what I said is it has nothing to do with voter fraud.  

Democrats want to give criminals voting rights, because they are citizens and should be allowed to participate.  

Are you suggesting democrats don't want to deal with voter fraud because its a waste of resources? Its refreshing to see them care about spending. Any who, I'm glad we moved the discussion from it not being a thing to not a serious thing.

Right, we don't disagree on the voter ID thing. But the left likes to claim even getting a state ID is too much of an obstacle for some people. They will always fight voter IDs.

I was using the criminal voting thing as an example of dems looking wherever they can for more support. I guess they find that easier than appealing to the working class like they used to. And again, they waste more time attacking people that support republicans as opposed to trying to win their support.