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Machiavellian on 14 September 2018
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EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

EricHiggin
Comey did admit he told the President, but gave the reasoning I provided as to why he didn't want to tell the public. If Comey's opinion of Trump doesn't matter, why put him on TV, the former head of the FBI, an evidence based individual, and have him constantly talk about how he felt about Trump? This wasn't some new TV show, it's accusing the President of firing the head of the FBI, supposedly because he's a Russian spy/puppet with no worthy direct evidence.

Ok, lets just back up here for a second. Since we are on Comey, you stated in your previous post that Comey was asked by Trump to say he was not personally part of the Russia investigation publically but Comey refused because he could be later. You state that Comey has done this before but I ask you when he did this for Clinton what happen. You remember when he said the investigation was done but then had to reopen it back up when they got that laptop full of emails. How did that go down. Why would he make the same mistake twice.

So it seems you are equating Comey decision on not publicly putting Trump in the clear in an ongoing investigation that is not done but involves already people personally under Trump to being part of Comey opinion on Trump. Am I correct with this assumption. I just want to make sure I understand where you are going with whatever personal opinion Comey has or had concerning Trump compared to how we got here today with Mueller investigation directly against Trump.

Also you nor I have absolutely no clue what information Mueller has on Trump personal involvement in the Russian meddling. I highly doubt you will see anything until he makes his report especially since his department seems to be air tight when it comes to leaks.

Well he said she was off the hook, and then on the hook again, and then off the hook, even though it seemed clear she should have been on the hook. What's the problem with this? If he realized he made a mistake and knew how to fix it going forward, then why didn't he make it clear to Trump that at the immediate present, he wasn't under investigation, but since the investigation was ongoing, he obviously couldn't know if Trump would end up involved. Odds are he knew this might anger Trump and get him fired, I'd assume, so he just told Trump he wasn't being investigated. Which is why Trump wouldn't be able to understand why Comey wouldn't let the public know. Comey made it clear this is how it went down, and had no problem telling the public through the media that Trump could become a suspect, but didn't tell Trump. He's the President. Comey's job is to inform the President as clearly as humanly possible, and at the highest level, since he was the head of the FBI. 

No leaks? What about recently with Manafort and Cohen?

 

Machiavellian said:

Machiavellian said:

What makes you believe Trump is innocent of working with Russia. If anything, everyone of the people who were asked if they had any previous contact with Russia during his campaign have been found lying. Flynn, Session, Trump JR and Krusher, Manford hell you name it. Just maybe if their reflex was not to lie first and be proven guilty first they maybe you would have a point.

EricHiggin
You mean the people who were legally aloud to have contact with the Russians, but were being demonized for doing so because Hillary and the Dems said they are the epitome of evil, since they hacked her server and found a tonne of dirt? The same Hillary and Dems who helped the Russians to acquire a sizable amount of American uranium not all that long ago?

Yes, I mean exactly those same people. You know the one who got fired because he lied about the meeting. The other guy who recused himself from the investigation because he lied about the meetings. I guess if they had legal rights to contact and have these meetings why did they have to lie about it. Maybe you should ask yourself why they lied in the first place if they were in their rights to have these meetings. So as always we end up exactly where we continue to go with this administrations. Everyone lies until caught then they have to pay the price, unless you are the president. Again I see you are throwing Hillary and the Dems as your scapegoat but not putting the blame directly on the decisions made by the people in question. Its everyone else fault besides them. You even threw in the nice uranium conspiracy theory in there as well, nice touch.

As I explained earlier, when every Dem and lefty and the majority of the media are after you and are willing to spin everything you do or say to try and make a fool of you, what tends to happen is those 'victims' tend to lie, since they are, or would be, lied about anyway. Maybe the left and the media should try to be honest for a while, and see if anything changes, because it just might. You don't know if you don't try. Why bother though right? Trump and his people are liars, because they just are. Everyone knows it just because. Trump = Hitler. It's basic math...

As for leaks from the Manafort or Cohen trials, you show me any evidence where anything came from Mueller team.No, I am sorry but that is just another excuse.  It would be different if Trump behaved differently before becoming president.  It would be different if he had a career of being honest but that is not the case even from his own mouth. Trump lying has been his MO for decades.  There are piles or cases where the man shows at every turn he cannot tell the truth no matter what the occasion is. You really should stop trying to find a defense for the man's constant lying it really do not help your case. 

You should really listen to yourself.  It's everyone else fault for Trump lying.  Everyone seems to be at fault when something goes wrong but Trump.  

No Trump is not a liar just because.  This is where I believe your problem comes from.  Trump is a liar because its been proven countless times that he lies.  I never compared Trump to Hitler, I compare him to your average con man.  He tells you want you want to hear.  He will make up whatever story that satisfy what you believe or think and he will take you to school when you blink.  Trump probably only wish he could be even close to Hitler.  The man is not anywhere close to being in that league of villains.

Still, if you are investigating or could investigate your boss, why would you need to make anything public until after the investigation.  Trump was already out of line for asking for this since he is suppose to separate himself from the investigation.  In other words he was trying to influence public opinion before any results were found.  The same way that he continue to do today.  Instead of letting things run their course he wants to continue to put himself within it.  Its his constant butting in that probably has fueled things to where they are today.  With the lies and butting in, he continue to throw more logs on the fire keeping things hot but knowing you, it's everyone else fault.

As for Manafort and Cohen trial, why don't you show me any leaks that came from Mueller team.