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thismeintiel on 28 May 2018
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Carl said:

thismeintiel said: 

Yes.  Its been poorly managed.  Why?  Because of those exact political agendas I talk about.  They are putting those first, as well as attacking those who disagree, then worrying about making the films. 

Consumers are used to 2-3 MCU movies?  Yea, but did it start out like that?  No.  Between late '08 and mid '11, we got just one Marvel film.  People are fine with it because they enjoy those films.  If they were bad, you can guarantee they would not be pumping them out like that.  SW could enjoy the same thing.

And competition?  Another poor excuse.  POTC:AWE made more money than Solo, and that was up against Shrek 3's 2nd week, which made more than Deadpool 2's 2nd weekend, and Spider-Man 3's 4th week, which made only a little less than IW.  And POTC is not SW. 

I know you like to imagine that the people who are boycotting the film, and disagree with Kathleen Kennedy and crew's political agenda, makes up, what?  5% of the fanbase.  But you're wrong.  It's much larger than that.  And they are joined by people who probably mostly agree with her, but they don't want that crap in their SW, especially so poorly implemented. 

Nobody is saying there's been no backlash from people towards political agendas. The more you push it as being the only reason for Solo doing poorly though, makes you look silly.

Yeah, it started out like that. Don't try to dismiss the facts. 2008 had 2 films and 2011 had 2 films. The 2nd films to release in those years were both considered flops by the way. Incredible Hulk and Captain America weren't received well then everything blew up after Avengers and Iron Man 3. We're talking about over 10 years of consumer conditioning. It plays a big factor. Phase One was sporadic, Phase Two hammered home two movies per year and now Phase Three is starting to hit with 3 per year.

That is a well managed franchise. They had a plan, they supported the directors and they got movies out on time. Each movie was unique enough to make it stand out from the others in the franchise, each movie was something fresh yet they still built up the "universe" and had an overarching core story they were moving towards. World-building. Star Wars hasn't been well managed in this regard, whether you like it or not. This isn't down to a political agenda. This is down to their reliance on nostalgia and fan-service to push these movies instead of trusting the consumer to accept and adapt to new stories and characters. 

Nobody really asked for a Han Solo origin movie and the reaction to it since the announcement has been lukewarm at best. The actor they chose to play Harrison Ford, while I think Alden did an okay job,  he simply doesn't have the charisma, the look or the pull to come anywhere near Harrison. The marketing for the movie has been poor at best. The production for the movie has been horrific. The date set for release was a bad decision, moving away from the safe December slot to sit in the middle of the big hitters. The "shock" moment for the movie, Maul, is a story that's already been covered through Clone Wars, Rebels and the books. None of these factors has anything to do with Kathleen Kennedy's political beliefs and everything to do with her poor management of the movie (and franchise) itself.

Competition wasn't an "excuse", it was a reason. I'm not giving excuses to Disney for Solo's poor performance, stop painting it that way, I'm giving reasons why it performed poorly and Star Wars seems to be in a spot of bother. This isn't simply down to political leanings. Move your mind beyond that. Look at the bigger picture. Stop closing your eyes to the core problems surrounding Solo and the franchise.

No one has said that the politics are the only reason, but those who try to dismiss it with ridiculous claims or that it is an extremely small minority who are not watching it because of that are the ones who look silly.

The fact that the Incredible Hulk flopped proves my point.  It wasn't of the same quality as Iron Man, so didn't do as well.  It also released just one month after Iron Man.  A movie a month can lead to fatigue.  6 months does not.  In fact, Marvel is putting them out 3 movies a year, now, and still having hit after hit.  The films just have to be good.  And it also helps not to just outright bash the fanbase for not agreeing with you.  BTW, Captain America was not a flop.

And, yes, their poor management has to do with their agenda.  They are worried about pushing it first, then worried about the films.  They don't keep any kind of control on the crew, letting them to use their films as a way to push their agenda, even if it isn't quite so blatant in the actual film.  It's why they are banking purely on nostalgia to get them through, figuring those fanboys will come no matter what.  Looks like they are being proven wrong.

They are just excuses.  POTC is big, but it is defintely not SW big.  Yet, you would think it was when it was able to pull in more money than a SW film against equal competition.  There's a reason Disney released it at this time.  They know it wasn't going to do well, but wanted the press to be filled with "Solo Breaks Memorial Day Weekend Record," figuring that was an easy hurdle to leap. It didn't even come close.  Things are even worse WW.  It's fate would not be any different in Dec.  So, to use competition as an excuse is just that, an excuse.