| VGPolyglot said: You know, not everyone wants to have sex all the time. And I don't remember you saying that you condone rape within marriage, but I do remember saying that you're playing the focus and emphasis on the wrong person, and putting responsibility (aka blame) on someone that you shouldn't be. And as to you saying that you already answered this publicly and privately, I told you that if you keep on trying to stick with this and post it, that I'm going to oppose you. You decided to post in here again, so that's why. |
Yes you did warn me that you'd oppose me and I did warn you that I do not easily give in to peer pressure or anything like that.
I absolutely do not mind you questioning what I say I'm only asking you and others to use logic and good sense and just cause people don't like what they hear does not mean misinterpreting or misconstruing what is said on purpose is a good way to debate.
For example I don't like Republicans so if I ever debate that issue I'll have the intellectual honesty to debate what they say or do. I will NOT say that Republicans killed the dinosaurs just to make them look bad or just cause I can't find any other angle to debate them. I find that approach abhorrent and unnecessary, if I don't like them I take some time with myself to think about why I don't like them. From there I either have reasons and then I bring those reasons to the debate OR I realize that I have no good reasons and then I simply admit that I should not dislike or attack them in debate cause I don't really have things to hold against them. That's my approach to any issue that can be debated.
But I want to thank you for admitting that you see that I do not condone rape within marriage, it's an honest move from you and while we may strongly disagree on the rest of this debate or any future debate, I always appreciate this kind of honesty.
As for putting blame on the wrong person. I don't think I do. Perhaps this debate makes some people think that if I saw a victim of rape that I would point my finger with an angry stare and blame that person or something but that's not what I say or would do. The blame of the act of raping I CLEARLY put on the rapist. The words I use here are words specific to a debate, they are OBVIOUSLY not the same if I actually were in front of a rape victim. People need to understand this very important nuance. First you cannot just speak of this with a victim cause I believe that this is a very personal thing that a victim may not want to talk about so the first thing is to be really close to the victim to the point of her agreeing to trust you with details. Only then can you speak about this issue with the victim.
At that point I would never use words like "you are to blame" I would try to teach her to take RESPONSIBILITY for her future choices by teaching her to be more cautious, not to be too trusty of a guy she may not know well enough, I'd try to make her realize that we live in a world where there is violence and bad people and evil corporations and everything like that and that we ALL must wise up and realize that the powers out there do not mean us good and it's up to us to make choices that will be the best for ourselves. I'd try to make her realize that just cause some guy with a nice suit and a bright smile appears to be "gentleman-like" does not mean he may not have some nefarious intentions etc... in other words I'd make her be more wise and cautious and take more responsibility for HER CHOICES because if she can do that, chances of being a victim again will decrease.
Perhaps If I had been able to talk to her BEFORE she married that guy that would end up raping her, perhaps I could have saved her with my advice and words which you gentlemen deem horrible and unacceptable.
But isn't that what responsible parents do? Teach their kids responsibility for their choices? Doesn't the concerned father try to warn his 15 years old daughter to be very careful when she goes to some party? Or should that father tell his daughter: Sure go ahead, see the boys, do whatever they say: if something bad happens, you have no responsibility in your choices honey.
Would you do that? Cause I wouldn't, I would want my daughter to take as much responsibility in her choices as possible in the hopes that it would allow her to precisely make the right choices. Cause some of the boys at that party could have nefarious purposes and what is easier than to trick an innocent girl at a party? All it takes it to roofie her drink and voila. But a smart girl that takes responsibility for her choices will know BETTER, she will not let her drink unattended, will NOT follow this stranger in his car. will stay away from people that are up to no good etc...
But this culture of avoiding responsibility is what leads to rapes in my opinion, why teach her to be careful if her choices are not her responsibility, right?
Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 10 April 2018
