| irstupid said:
Isn't that the very thing Trump said. He was talking about a FoxNews report they did the night before or something that was talking about how Sweeden is now seeing what you described above and more, such as rapes, ect due to the immigrations. The media does a whole nit picking of his wording to try and paint what he said as him saying there was a terrorist attack the night before, to descredit him, draw aways the peoples attention from a problem, ect. All this rioting does is add some credence to what Trump was saying. Immigrants are not mixing well with Sweeden and crime is getting out of hand. |
Technically, it's not really true that "immigrants aren't mixing well with the Swedes", but certain groups in certain areas have pretty major issues. Overall, Sweden has a large immigrant population that contributes to society, educate themselves and work hard. The problem arises when more positive influences move away from areas that are troubled, and the more chaotic minded remain, property value sinks, unemployment shoots into the sky and school attendance drops dramatically. The problem is that the right is calling foreigners animals and claiming that other "races" are simply not civilized while the left is claiming that it's the police that is to blame for incidents like this and that everyone is blowing things out of proportion and then call even people who make rational criticism racists as a be-all and end-all of discussion. In the middle of this fray; the real victims are left unattended, these are the people who have their shops busted, the mosques blown up (yes, that happened not to long ago in Stockholm) and their kids robbed of cellphones and cash on their way to school, the ones who live in these areas and are terrorized by gangs of kids who should be in school, people who try their best but aren't being heard because the inner city folks are busy assigning blame and have long since forgotten how to actually solve problems, let alone make compromises.
Over half of my colleagues at work are immigrants, either first or second generation and all of them are awesome, and most immigrants are great. But the chasm between "us and them" is growing larger by the year, and where it's bad, it's really bad, no matter how some try to disguise it or refuse to talk about it. One of the main issues here is that a racist party has more or less hijacked the debate on immigration and others are afraid to touch the subject and be labelled as racists or fascists, and the resistance towards any and all arguments pointing to negatives of immigration, and especially poor integration, becomes massive when it is perceived to connect with those who are real racists. The biggest critics of the poor integration in the country that I've ever met are immigrants themselves.
High crime rates are tied to poverty, low employment, low value areas with little development incentive and low school attendance, it doesn't matter what "race" you are. But, regardless of the mechanics behind high crime rates; it's still a problem that needs to be adressed and not something to be ignored, as has been the case here for many years. Pairing this with an utterly despicable police chief and constant political reforms pulling in different directions doesn't exactly help either.
| Puppyroach said: Let's calm down now. It's not rioting in Sweden, it was an incident in Rinkeby, a suburb to Stockholm where around 30 people got angry because of a protest and some of them (far from all) got violent. One idiot lit a fire and the police were forced to shoot one shot. Thos happens around 20 times each year and fatalities because of police shooting happens around two times a year. So I think some perspective is needed here :). |
One idiot lit a fire? There were almost a dozen cars burning and several shops and restaurants had windows smashed and a couple were reportedly plundered as well, so the extent of this incident is somewhat more than you make it out to be. But I agree that calling it riots is a stretch though. It's still a serious incident, and you should perhaps inform people that the angry mob started peppering the police with stones and other objects in response to the police arresting a person wanted for drug related crimes at a subway station, it was not in response to a protest, where did you hear this? I live pretty close to this area (in Täby) and police told the media right away that the incident began when they were arresting an individual at the Rinkeby subway station, this information was readily availabe to anyone with an internet connection and half-decent news sources, heck; even poor news sources had this info from the start.
There was an incident just like this only nine days prior as well, also at Rinkeby, when police responded to a call they were ambushed by 20-30 people throwing bottles and rocks at them. And let's not forget the incident with the hand grenade last year, or the molotov cocktails that were thrown at the police in Vårberg the same year, these incidents are common, as you even state yourself, isn't that in itself worrying you at all? That amazes me.
Look; people overstate some things, sure, but you shouldn't downplay this either or make appologies for hooligans of any form or social standings, when an angry mob show up and attack police officers for arresting criminals, that's a very serious issue. And then people make claims that "the city area has more crime", which is true in sheer number, but it's mostly druggies slugging it out in parks and town squares, people busted with small amount of narcotics on them, shoplifting, homeless people being disorderly, kids doing cocaine at fancy clubs or Kent Ekeroth slapping people, most of the inner city crime is peanuts compared to the stabbings, shootings, destruction of property and fires and the constant assaults on police and even ambulance personel out in the suburbs. When was the last time you heard about someone destroying an ambulance in service in the inner city or showing up 20-30 to attack the police making arrests? I agree that we shouldn't sensationalize things, but let's not gloss it over either, this is what Swedes usually do but it doesn't solve any problems.
