Late shows on Trump's first solo press conference

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Slimebeast said:

Scoobes said:

1. Compare the US vetting procedures compared to other Western democracies. It's easy enough to check.

And you don't have to be on the left to be against the wall. There are plenty of things wrong with the wall regardless of political affiliation (e.g. expensive, unlikely to be effective as evidenced by the walls that are currently in place on the border, private landowners refusing to sell land for wall building, expensive geographical challenges, alienation of a neighbouring ally etc.).

The outrage over the blanket ban was because there was no evidence that current vetting procedures weren't working (unless you can provide any evidence). The vast majority of terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11 were from people that were US citizens or had been living in the US for a prolonged period of time (and the 9/11 terrorists were nearly all from Countries not on the list). There is no evidence they had come through US immigration. Secondly, the blanket ban was actually illegal, so of course people were angry about it. Finally, what was the blanket ban actually going to achieve? It kept out academics and prevented companies from getting in their own skilled employees. If it was purely about security then a number of countries in Europe (Britain, France, Belgium) should also have been listed as the terrorists that have attacked the West have been citizens of those countries.  

2. Fox has huge coverage though. Plus you're forgetting the New York Post. 

And for the education system it doesn't have to be political. Analytical thinking and the ability to critique isn't by its nature subject to political bias.

And what do you mean by leftist propaganda?

3. What do you mean by dynamic landscape in world politics? I just see the US becoming more isolationist and speeding up China's desire to become a superpower. 

I'm not gonna comment anymore if you spin things.

1. Vetting procuders are beside this point. It's a non issue to my argument. It's as if you deny the whole massive flood of criticism against Trump based on him being against immigration and being isolationist. By people who are "antiracist", "tolerant", "multicultural" etc etc etc. It's the single biggest thing that leftists are upset about with Trump, his agenda against immigration.

2. "Fox has huge coverage though". Fox is just one channel. Media as a whole is dominated by the left.

Don't lecture me on how the education system should be. I am saying that right now, the education systems are spewing leftist propaganda to young people all over the world. Of course at the same time, they are able to convey some understanding of critical thinking in general in many topics. It's not a contradiction. They still brainwash people on political and social issues.

"Leftist propaganda". Sorry, but I'm too tired to give a definition now. I have argued about this at length on this forum for years and written pages of texts about it.

3. Yes, the rise of China, despite its evil, as a counter-balance against "Merkel" (Merkel as a symbol of the current world order) is a good example of the new world order I am hoping for.

I'm not spinning anything.

1. I'm basing this on what the outcomes will be of the policies he puts forth and proper vetting procedures absolutely should be part of his immigration policies. They actually are/were as the ban was supposed to be temporary whilst his cabinet came up with more extreme vetting, but as I've said there was no evidence current vetting wasn't working. 

@ bolded: Forget the politics of the situation, you always get the name calling and upsetting people on the opposite side (Obama had it in his term, Bush in his etc.). That's part of democracy. The big issue is his competency in formulating his ideas into proper real-world policies. He makes it far too easy for media outlets to pick up on his many blatant mistakes. The blanket immigration ban was illegal yet he put it through anyway (he should have advisors that would have known this was a likely outcome and formulated alternatives). His fabrication of stats that don't exist everytime he speaks to the public; yesterday he made up a terrorist attack in your country. This isn't how to build faith in your competence if a simple google search can tell if you're lying. 

If you're already Left/democrat then it just confirms your beliefs and if you're centrist then you're left wondering if he's really up to the job. 

2. I can't really comment on this unless you give me your examples so I'll leave it. Feel free to add to this when you're more awake!

3. I think you're making a similar mistake to the UK government and seriously overestimating Merkels ability. China are just as likely to strike up trade deals and ally with Germany/EU because of the US' isolationism as anything else.