fatslob-:O said:
| Wyrdness said:
Dude I've highlighted for a while what's contradicting you just read through your own posts, your many people don't care about certain games argument goes for many successful games as well your arguments at this point are loose and don't come together and it's becoming more clear that you improvized an argument to save face which has left you in a position of saying Shrek, Carnival Games and the like are better games then the majority of PS4/X1 games. The are various factors in Sales other then quality that drive them, Sonic's recent games have been bad with SB being terrible but it still sold decently because of the branding, I assure you that you could make a poor or mediocre game and stick any popular brand on it and it would outsell far better games.
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Except there are more who care less about those games compared to other games so instead you just resorted to twisting my words to fit your argument. Nothing is going to change the fact that more people care about COD than SotC or Fire Emblem. So what if Shrek or Carnival Games are better than some of the AAA games on the PS4/X1 ? Quality is the only way to drive sales whether you like it or not. Sonic Boom sold decently ?! 200K is laughable just so you know ...
| Wyrdness said:
I'll highlight one last time where you have contradicted yourself, you said in an earlier post that it's the consumer that quality matters to yet your focal points are that of the company, under your logic Michael Bay makes the best films because of his success when it's far from the truth if anything success is never an indicator of quality as quality is defined by the overall merits of the product itself, things we find out from playing them. A well made car will always be that regardless of how much it sells same with games, but this is where the contradictions begin you say that you only measure by success and profits yet the games you were trying to dismiss earlier have just that, on the M&L side Bowser's Inside Story has sold around 3.8m, Dream Team has sold about 1.8m while on the Paper Mario side TTYD sold 2.25m, SPM sold 3.69m and Sticker Star sold 2.13M.
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Again with your twisting ...
Mario & Luigi weren't the ONLY games I were referring to and anything within the range of 1-2 million is "average", not particularly "great" ...
Wyrdness said:
Moving futher on Awakening sold 1.53m, with Golden Sun the original sold 1.75m and lost age sold 1.2m and when we come to Pokemon which consistently hits 10m each installment your original stance against them falls apart under your own very logic as these games are outselling most RPGs and matching the likes of series like Mass Effect which blows your whole stance about them not being top tier RPGs to pieces under the very logic you have just highlighted. If you don't want to admit contradiction here then fair enough keep arguing the stance as every post you add further mocks yous at this point.
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Once again some of those games fall under "average", not "great" with the exception of pokemon ...
Just so you know I wasn't dismissing every RPG from Nintendo but once again you put words in my mouth that I didn't utter ...
FWIW, MOST of the RPGs from Nintendo aren't top tier ...
Wyrdness said:
Ironic you using strawman argument in your post as I've highlighted the flaws in your posts you haven't once countered any argument in this thread that people have put forward and instead have sidestepped all of them.
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The only one using strawman here is you ...
Wyrdness said:
The position you're in right now with your argument is that your logic in sales equals quality flat out debunks yourself at the same time, at this point your only course of action will be to try and move goal posts again and start saying only a certain amount of sales count like how you tried to discount Golden Sun earlier as a first party RPG. You've put yourself in a situation where you can't argue quality on a game's merits which funny enough would have suited your stance better but instead you went with logic that actually countered your very own arguments earlier. Finally nope GC's profits games came from software sold on the platform like every other home console from Nintendo and the fact it made profits further stings your points.
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This is not addressing my points, it's pure deriding on your part ...
How exactly did I move goal posts when it was somewhat clear in referring to sales milestons and in-house developed RPGs ? What's more is that the OP SPECIFICALLY stated "Nintendo's unique take" so explain how exactly Nintendo's take = Gamefreak's take ?
How long are you going to keep up this Argumentum ad lapidem ?
GC making profit is mostly besides all this but no one can deny that most of Nintendo's profits were attributed to the GBA ...
Wyrdness said:
Congratulations on that.
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It's pretty clear that your not interested in addressing the argument but since this is getting off-topic there's no point in continuing this farce with you ...
Au revoir ...
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Well done you post a reply that failed to address any points at all, so you're saying the Shrek and Carnival Games are better then the majority of X1 and PS4 games based off sales alone? Good thing you're not in any X1/PS4 forum or any other boards as you'd be lucky to be taken seriously in any future debate also note how you ignored someone else who pointed out how silly the logic you're trying to push.
As I predicted you'd move goal posts and start saying only a certain amount of sales equals a certain amount of quality, you're transparent at this point and have been found out hard, it's not me twisting your words it's your own words coming back to haunt you. We were talking about Nintendo's RPGs and I told you to give your definition of quality and you came out with sales and profit, you realize now how that contradicts your early ramblings so have now adjusted goal posts even more to try and suit your argument which was improvized from the get go.
Explain in logical terms how unit sales measure quality especially Nuvendil highlight how broken your logic is, no in fact lets go one better, lets take your exact argument in here and put it forward to the whole forum, go on lets go, word for word start a topic in the general explaining your logic and how you think Carnival Games and so on are better the the likes of ICO etc... and lets link this topic as well so people can read your posts.
Explain how sales equal quality and how 2m sales means a game is average, put your money where your mouth is.
