| Kasz216 said: We know who the guy is. It's still extremely racist. The fact that you don't see this stuff as racist pretty much proves my point. Such a thing in the US would be seen as so toxic that the guys career would be ruined. Which is why it'd be a LOT harder for a racist party to get many delegates in power even with a similar government system.
The rest of your arguement is well... mostly unfounded. We don't just "pick the best". Minorities are underrepresented in our government, sure, not anywhere near Germany though. Also you've gotten away from argueing that Germany isn't more racist... and ended your arguement by saying "Germany is more racist because of the situation we're in." Which, I don't really see your point behind that.
Also uh, you do realize that your survey was of other people talking about what other people think right? What percentage of black people thing white people hate them etc. That's not so much a measure of racism so much as a measure of sensitivity about racism. Versus the survey I posted which gave very specific questions that were racist and got the numbers on it. It's akin to a poll asking how many people you know are rich vs research that looks at the tax returns of people you know to deterimine how many are rich.
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1. no it's not racism because they (the magazine and this guy who was part of it) do the same with everyone. or german carnival, what you will see there, you would call this racist as well (if it would be a carnival float about a black, but with a white wouldn't be a problem right?)
oh damn a float making fun of a german politician born in vietnam we are so racist!
just for you, mr obama
usa and merkel, how is this for you?
you just don't understand our satire from some european countries? then shut up and live in your world and never learn that other countries are different without beeing racist like you think. as example i put the merkel picture in my other post because i know if this would be a black you would say "damn a banana? (it wasn't a banana i explained why) GERMAN RACISTS" without even understanding the picture. even the black people who live here think it's funny because they know how it's meant. so stop calling us racist because you are to stupid to understand our sarcasm/satire. you are the racist/xenophobe then if you think it can't be right if it isn't ok in your country.
if you would destroy the career for satirists in usa it's ok for you, but it's pretty simple no racism here.
if you make a picture as satire you use the characteristics of someone. if he has big ears, you use the ears and make them even bigger and if you say "i am a obama" as slogan for your fake party or someting like that you use his skin color because you don't have the color so this is the biggest characteristical difference in the face (no clue if characteristic is the right word my english isn't good enough)
(like i said, we have some very popular turkish comedians here in gemany and they make fun about us germans all the time and have own tv-shows on the biggest channel and NOONE would think they are racists against us germans, it's just our and their humor)
2. so you want to tell me that most of those people who got the opportunity to work in usa in the last 30 years from europe as example weren' engineers or other well educated people? you have absolutely no clue which the difference is between german legal immigrants and american legal immigrants. if you have no clue, how do you wish to talk about it?
and you still don't gave me an answer. if you have a lot of afro-american in your government because they live there a lot longer than german immigrants live in germany (damn they helped to build your country and they were slaves in the past), what's so hard to understand that you have exactly because of this more minorities in your government? or the natives who live their forever, is it a wonder that this minority in their own country has some seasts in your government (don't know about that but it has to). the difference is so easy to understand between minorities in us government and minorities in german government no clue how someone can even think about it and why there is a difference.
you wish to tell me that you have a lot of immigrants in your government who can't even speak english? because that's the fact here with a lot of our immigrants, the can't speak german (and it's not racists that i say this, it's fact and it's not their fault, they came from very poor turkish villages as example and did never have very good education). people who came to america as legal immigrants from europe or asia the last years, how many of them can't speak english? how many of the blue-collar workers who came to usa in the last 30 years are now in the government? almost none of them? ok but you wonder that they aren't in german government right? because almost all immigrants who came to germany came to work in a pit or factory or to harvest asparagus/cucumber...
and i didn't say we are more racist in my argument, i said "if you would have the same situation, your surveys would say the same". that means, the survery is dependend of the situation and not of the people who got asked those questions. or do you wish to tell me that, if you would have a social system where you don't have to work to get money to live and where you get a paid flat and where you get paid your energy and water consume, everything paid from the government, that you wouldn't have some who would say "if they don't work for 10-20 years now and if they get money without doing anything, they should go back to their country". you wish to tell me that, if you would have this system in usa (year very racist, you get a paid life without working, even as immigrant), that there wouldn't be a lot who would say "those should go back to their country"? i am not against them, i know they had a horrible life before and i would do the same if i would have the chance but i know that many, if people in usa or germany, would say that it can't be that the government is paying the life of people who did never work for that country and came just to germany.
what would i get in usa if i wouldn't work and would never have paid in the unemployment insurance? would usa pay me a flat and water and energy and few hundret bucks extra for meal? ohh i forgot i wouldn't get the opportunity to come to usa because they would send me back and i could not even start here to usa if i wouldn#t buy a return ticket as well...
3. did you read the survey? one of the questions was: blacks got asked "how many blacks dislike whites" so 33% of blacks in usa said they think blacks dislike whites in usa" do you think a black doesn't know if his black friends dislike whites or why should a black say this about other blacks? and i think if you would ask the white "how many white dislike black" you would get the same. 49% of blacks in usa think racism is a serious problem? hmm yeah i bet they just say it even if there isn't that serious problem.
and i love your last argument, in usa, much more people had bad experiences with racism than in germany but suuure that's not a good survey because usa looks bad there. yep, in usa are much more people against interracial marriage but hey, that's just because it is so, has nothing to do with racism...
like i said, i think all survey are for the ass because you can't simply compare countries but your survery aren't better just because you searched for them.
and since you are so ignorant not to see that for example different humor doesn't mean racism just because it would be racism in your country because you have different humor i really don't read here anymore, someone who has never been here trying to argument about the situation because he can read what his media is writing.. do you know what our media is talking about the usa every day? do i have to believe all of that now just because they want to sell more newspapers or have more in front of the tv? and you have something like fox news, you should now that's you can't believe everything you see if you haven't been there for yourself.
