NoCtiS_NoX said:
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First, please address the bold, italicized, and underlined question.
1. This stuff about Stefl would all be relevant if you had mentioned anything day 2, or when I had originally made the point about rolefishing.
That is the only post of prof's of all the ones you claim to be rolefishing that I would agree with.(Some others are blatant nudges for claims, which as I said I didn't like, but it's different from rolefishing) However, it doesn't make sense to think that Stefl and prof are scummates in this case. They would have to KNOW you visited Stefl, which means one should have to be a Mafia Tracker, which followed you to Stefl. If you're investigative they're going to hope you don't claim damning info on Stefl instead of pushing you to reveal it. If you don't spill anything they can assume you're protective or something else, and possibly try to get you lynched. Either way they would be happy to kill you at night.
My second question was directly related to the first. How did you think scum Stefl was rolefishing with his first post, which he later clarified meant he was roleblocked?
2. See no. 1 as well. You made none of these points yesterday, when it actually mattered. It's easy to say you were thinking just about anything then, but nothing backs it up.
3. I appreciate you fixing the links. It's actually a bit bothersome that nobody else pointed out any of the errors, am I the only one that cared to read your post?
I mentioned it in no. 1, but that is rolefishing to me. Only makes sense as that with Stefl being town and prof being scum though. Mafia would know if they targeted Stefl and could try to pin it on someone else, or if they weren't the ones to target him they could try to figure out who was and net two town powers in one fell swoop. But I don't think asking the other mason to claim means much. There are pros and cons to making the information known, and I think in the end it benefits Town to know more than scum.
Now that post is a solid point for you. And it's a direct contradiction to what prof asked Stefl after Stefl claimed he was roleblocked. I don't think I was defending, just defining things, pointing out broken links, and explaining why I thought your theory was very unlikely or in other words what I think prof wasn't doing. I didn't explain what I thought prof was doing, and I'd like to hear that too. What's nagging me most with prof is he's avoiding a lot of the stuff asked of him. It's not enough to push him higher than you or FF on my scumspect list, but he's not moving down towards Wonk's level either.
4. Again, thanks for the fix. But you didn't answer my question, "In the end, Stefl's case was that he was blocked and it's a null tell as to my alignment... What defense is needed?"
5. I'd like to try to follow your logic as to how you think I'm preparing to vote for Stefl. Please give the links again and explain what I am saying in each one, in your opinion. Your new explanation still doesn't make sense to me. Why would scum try to divert their votes away from the claimed power?
In the practice round you didn't have me "figured out" as in you realized I was a SK. I was hostile towards you because as third-party my only chance of winning was to have you mislynched and then hope the right actions occur to let me survive until the end. Here, even if I were mafia and you were town, I'd have 3(or 2 accounting for radish's "confirmedness") other people I could push to be mislynched. There's no need for hostility in that case. If I'm hostile it's because I most likely need two correct lynches out of two chances. So if you're town, I don't want to read a wall of text with little to no point or an illogical point. I'm pushing you to prove to me that you're actually town or to crack as scum.
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1. Didn't you ask why I think Stefl was rolefishing? Read qoute box aswell.
You said "1. Stefl claimed he was blocked and you thought he was rolefishing? Only a roleblocker/jailkeeper would know if they targeted Stefl, so why would scum Stefl announce to a town RB/JK that they chose well?" So I answered you that not the only reason.
It only makes sense if there is a mafia tracker in order for them to be scum buddies. Wow! just wow! What a load of bullshit! So in order for them to be scum buddies is there should be a mafia tracke? I don't know if I am going to be annoyed or laugh or be sad. sigh!
Can't it be the timing or They device a plan from day 2 that they will rolefish because stefl gets away with it (spurge)? Can it be I am thinking they are making a fake a convo about stefl being the target of the mafia or the mafiablocker/jailkeeper. Can i just think I didn't buy any of those and think they are both scum for doing that or can I just can't think that this 2 guys is nudging, rolefishing or whatever and think it has some connection to it. So help me understand that in order to it make sense is to have a mafia tracker and I have a role?
I think I already answerd this the no. 1-3 from that post and the other post I made about the rolefishing. If it's unlikely for you then it's likely for me so It's up to you if you will consider it or not. The same goes for the other players in here.
4. Isn't this about FF?
5. Although this is not about you. Scum in general. It's waste in my eyes. A confirmed role and lynching him has a side effect onto it. First, it grabs attention if he flipped town with a power role which he was. Secondly, Diverting to another town in hoping in catching a townie with a role so they can kill stefl at night.
last paragraph. I never said I figured you out I said I am getting close. Didn't I said in that round there was a 3rd party? The moment you saw that you become very hostile. With my investigation read do you think it didn't occur to me that it's either you ar Baalz is the a 3rd party?
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What is the "this" that you think mafia were hesitant to address? "by linkz"
First of I think I screwed on my sentences again. It's clear enough to my point because of my continues editing to check if I have wrong grammar before I post it. I think I accidentally deleted some sentence/s and when I edit it. I thought my other sentences is still part of the the other sentences.
Anyways, I am conveying 2 different points.
A. With stefl flipping town. The mafia doesn't want to address this anymore because maybe stefl was right that there is a mafia roleblocker. Again with prof's rolefishing when he qouted me. If prof is scum he doesn't want to address this.
B. With stefl first response. I think the mafia's is waiting for some townies to qoute stefl. If someone will challenge it. I think the scums is hunting for more roles.
So is that clear enough?
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PS: Changing you tone is not gonna help you in convincing me you are a town.
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1. You said you thought Stefl was rolefishing with his first post of day two, which is later explained to be a softclaim that he was roleblocked. I explain how that's illogical.
prof and Wonk should be able to back me up on this one. One cannot claim to be roleblocked and expect it not be exposed as a lie. If Stefl and prof were mafia, then yes they would need proof that Stefl was visited, ala a Mafia Tracker.
Stefl being town though means you could be right about prof rolefishing when you asked Stefl what his post meant. He doesn't need proof that you actually visited Stefl, and if you did visit him then you could slip something out revealing your alignment/role.
2. I appreciate you trying to skip over my point.
4. Yes. You are claiming that FF was defending me. I am asking you what defense I needed?
5. Still waiting to hear why you think it looks like I was going to vote Stefl.(Or prof or FF for that matter)
I see, that makes more sense. But that would mean that scum would have to know that Stefl won't be protected or risk him using whatever power he has.
The point still stand that if I were mafia, I wouldn't need you to be mislynched as I did as SK in that practice round. You are drawing a parallel that can't possibly exist.
Your explanation as to why "this" was unclear, not being clear inofitself notwithstanding:
A. The other option is that Stefl was targeted by a town jailkeeper, and mafia don't want to address that because it will look like they're hunting for town power.
B. I suppose that is possible. I'm never one to highlight hints like Stefl made because it rarely ends well for town. I'll bring it up if it hasn't been discussed and I think the time is appropriate, but otherwise I prefer actual claims as it shows the person actually wants the information out there.
P.S. I am not concerned with convincing you of anything. Your case against everyone(including myself) is weak, and I'm trying to determine for sure if you're scum and who your scumbuddy is if so.
