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Whats the old forum saying? I know don't feed the troll. Basically don't play Kwaad any mind. Anybody that thinks the PS2 is superior to the GC from a hardware standpoint has no credibility. They was no game for any system, X-box included, that pushed as many polygons with all effects as Rogue Squadron 3. The only advantage the PS2 had over the X-box and Gamecube was its ability to handle floating point operations. Sony's lack of built in effects on the PS2 gpu, killed any sort of advantage the CPU gave the PS2. The X-box had the weakest CPU out of the three consoles last gen, but it had the most powerful GPU. When comparing the last gen consoles, its about the Gamecube and X-box when comparing overall system power.