Is this game over for Sony?

[staticneuron]

"No, Rumble was an innovation that improved that current market. Wiimote is one of many means to achieve new audience that hopefully ( for Nintendo ) will be bigger than Ps3/360 market." I agree with you that rumble improved the gaming landscape. Props to Nintendo on that one. But as records show casual gamers do not have the same attach rate as hardcore gamers. Casual gamers may be a slightly larger market but I really don't expect that portion to surpass the 360/PS3 in software sales. "Because Ubisoft spend about 10 milion $ to create Red Steel and with Red Steel USA sales of November-December they not only recovered developement cost but gain profit. Look at the Ubisoft financial report and see the support that Ubi is adding to Wii day in day out. Ubisoft is a smart and happy Wii third party. Resistence outsold Red Steel in USA but Resistence don't turn out a profit yet because Ps3's development cost is far superior to Wii's." And it shows. Red Steel is a horrible game. Ubi expected to make profits and Insomniac expected to lose money. But in turn resistance is a far better game (graphics, gameplay wise and in FUN factor) than red steel. "Not too cost prohibitive like HD graphic ...." HD graphics may push up production costs but I have a felling that a third part developer like Capcom or square are not worried about recouping the cost spent on the games on the PS3. The playstation line has treated third parties amazingly well. "N64 was launched in mid 1996 in USA and Japan. It outsold PS1 in USA only on early six months. Then PS1 outsold every years N64 in USA ( see charts of this site). In the rest of the world N64 do worse." http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=PS&name2=N64&type=2 according to this the N64 outsold the PS1 for 3 years before the the PS could catch up. http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=N64&name2=PS&type=2&align=0 for japan it shows the N64 had the lead for a little more than a year. "I ask you : How many Ps2 owner do you think really care about the expensive HD feature ?" Your asking the wrong question. It is about PS2 owner seeing thier favorite games on a next gen console. The gameplay and funfactor are not a question. I would like to see the next Shadows of colossus, god of war, DMC, MGS, zone of the enders and many others on the PS3. "Xbox sold slighty better than Gamecube with the huge difference that Microsoft took 4 Billion $ loss whereas Nintendo make profit. Master System was an irrilevant system in late '80 ( Nes had about 92% marketshare in USA and Japan, Europe was an irrilevant market at that time for console becuase it was dominated by home-computer like Amiga and Atari ST) Genesis was the only "market leader" surpassed by another company ( Nintendo ) after an incredible catching up. Nintendo can did it thanks to japanese s/h support and other motives ( Genesis was the beginning of the end for Sega for many reasons ...)" What exactly are you trying to prove? MS took a loss on the xbox by 4 billion but they are stilll here. Sony can take extreme losses before making the "choice" to back off. Nintendo and sega are mainly game companies. Sega couldn't take the losses and I highly doubt nintendo can as well. "Yeah what you call childish/casual part is only one portion but it is the biggest portion. Hardcore gamers are very important in the beginning because launch console's price is expensive ( this is the reason Wii price is so low - it's a different business strategy) but in final userbase hardcore gamers are only a small portion ( it's time to understand it ). Nintendogs sold about 10 milions units worldwide but the real affair is that Nintendogs's development cost is ridicolus if compare to GTA's, Halo's,Final Fantasy's,Ghost Recon's or even most N64 games. This is why many publishers admire Nintendogs. Nowadays DS is THE casual console but in its lineup there are still Hardcore games such as Castlevani PoR : Nintendo DS is a console for EVERYONE. There are millions of harcore gamers all over around that are waiting Metroid Prime: Corruption or No More Heroes." Your point is kind off. Look at how many units GTA, halo and final fantasies have sold. They have more than recouped thier costs and without a question made more than nintendogs and or any other game that was low in cost to make. "No. We saw Nes with its 8bit graphic crush the expensive Amiga with its 16 bit graphic ( Ps3 is like PC, do you remeber Kutaragi ?) Wii is similar to Nes, not N64 , Snes or GC." When did the amiga have two very sucessful console before it? The called the PS2 a computer when it was released as well remember? Did that affect it sales? Why is the Wii like the NES? "Nintendogs outsold FF7 and GoW despite its ridicolous development cost . It's a paradigm shift. " Nintendogs sold 7.93 million, FFVII sold 8.6 million and gears sold 3 mill. GT and GTA are perfect examples of how games can have gameplay and graphics and both of those games came out on the PS2 and have achieved numbers that many games haven't reached. "Why ? Wii is radical different by N64,GC and Snes ( PS: Try to find Lucasart's Shadow of Empire worldwide sales (N64) )." Because his point is about risks to 3rd party devs. Returns making it cost prohibitive to dev.... remember. Compare those 3rd party sales to either the xbox or PS line. "Nintendo is the largest publisher in the world. It is stupid compare software sales from Nes/Snes era and those from Ps1/Ps2 era because each era had enlarge that software sales. Also games like FF had a great advantage in PS1/PS2 era because they ride the cinematic-style trend-up ( this is why FF13 is a Ps3's exclusive). Now that trend is down. Enix developed only 2 DQ original title for Ps1/Ps2 whereas 6 title for Nes/Snes thanks to lower development cost and time. Enix earns a lot more yen from DQ in Nes/Snes era therefore DQ is now leading on Nintendo platforms." I think it was a very valid question. To this day the best selling game is super mario bro's that was on the NES and the franchise that has sold the most is the mario franchise. Your comparison about DQ is overlooking the amount of titles that square enix has released on the PS line. Plain and simple no matter how hard people are trying here the playstation line has been succesful because of games. They have always talked big and everyone has always ignored them. (instead of people who hate Sony). Third party devs make amazing returns on thier games and Sony's first party games are shapping up to produce some amazing titles as well. Gamers speak with money and whether it is now or later. Whether it is on the Playstation , xbox or wii. Wherever the known heavy hitters go most gamers will follow and also be more apt to trying out new and varying titles. The wii is a fun system but I have a feeling that nintendo's direction is still flawed and they need to reign in some hardcore as well as the casual and "then" the wii will be in the market for success.