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Machiavellian on 26 August 2019
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vivster said:

So you're saying the weak should pay reparations to everyone who's died from a man made weapon? Are the weak to blame for all this, since it's they who created weapons in the first place so they had a more equal chance, if not advantage, to defend themselves?

The problem I think a lot of the gun haters don't understand is that many would give up their guns if there was a reasonable plan that would guarantee their safety as well as the safety of others. No plan comes close to accomplishing that though, and simply saying less people will die isn't good enough when it comes to each individual person and their own safety. If less people die, but one of those who dies is a past gun owner, who now was defenseless against the weapon used against them, then why give up their gun in the first place?

The US isn't a lawless wasteland. It's a developed country, or at least it pretends to be one.

How is it possible that literally every other developed country does not have citizens so afraid of their surroundings that they feel the need for self protection? Could it be that when I walk out side that I can be 100% sure that I won't encounter anyone armed with a gun? Could it be that the lack of guns in civilian hands actually makes people feel safer? Could it be that it's a lot more useful to attack the cause of a problem instead of trying to find a solution to a self made problem that literally only a single developed country on this planet has?

It's funny that you bring up the weak because they are the ones who disproportionally suffer from gun violence and also the ones less likely to be able to afford protection. And please define "weak" to me because from where I stand every single person is "weak" when confronted with a gun. So you create weak people by giving guns to people who shouldn't have them and then you try to solve the issue by giving the weak you just created also guns to create even more weak people? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Of course you don't.

If guns actually fixed a safety issue then you wouldn't need guns anymore because everyone feels safe. But how would anyone ever feel safe in a country where everyone else is armed to the teeth ready to murder you at any time. I know I wouldn't feel safe and that's why I would never set a food in that backwater place that pretends to care for the safety of its citizens but at the same time profits greatly by keeping them in constant fear. 

What you describe is America.  The constant fear that someone else is armed with a gun.  So if you go to a club, walmart, concert you are in constant fear some Ahole wants to take out as many people as they can.  Now you have to arm yourself based on that constant fear but now, we have these aholes wearing armor so that they can continue to kill longer since they also believe others are armed.  On top of that, if you are a person of color, definitely do not let the police believe you are armed because you can be killed just by moving, getting your registration or license or blowing your nose.  Simple moving violations can then be deadly.  All in the name of having the freedom of guns.  With everyone armed simple situations where maybe people would fight, get some bruises but still be alive turn into deadly confrontations where multiple people get injured or dead.  That is America today and it will only get worst.