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Final-Fan on 04 February 2010
hatmoza said:
-some players (FF & WoW) are bent on making me seem crazy (yes I do admit I don't follow the exact rules... ever on the first day) but it's being taken to an extreme this game. The perfect way to get a lynch without bringing attention to yourself, example: FF says I lashed at everyone but him, when the only people I went after were Zexen and somewhat WoW (I'm not the only person to suspect them and you see that).  Another example is WOW asking OTHER people what they thought of me so you have other people to blame when I do turn up town.

DAMMIT HATMOZA STOP LYING

It's one thing to read my post wrong.  But when I reply to you saying "no that's not what I said; this is what I said", and you don't even respond but continue to make the same false interpretation as if I had never said anything, then you're just not paying attention to what people say (scummy) or knowingly disregarding it (scummy).  

And it's a lot harder to pretend you didn't notice it when I know it shows up red in My Recent Threads.   



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Final-Fan on 04 February 2010
Words Of Wisdom said:
Defending someone in mafia doesn't mean getting on a soap box and proclaiming they're innocent.  There are plenty of other ways to defend someone.  When you repeatedly say that someone is not suspicious and not worthy of being lynched, that's defending them.

Right now no one should be defending anyone because none of know anyone's alignment but our own... except for the mafia.  It's in the mafia's best interest to defend each other (so they win) and townsfolk (to look pro-town when the person flips town) so anyone consistently trying to defend others or not finding someone suspicious like you tends to be mafia.

FoS: SciFiBoy

So let me get this straight:  on Day 1, according to you, there is no such thing as an accusation without merit?  Or is it just that we aren't allowed to object if we see someone getting bandwagoned for no reason?  



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ArkZero on 04 February 2010

I just think that hatmoza is lying n acting a bit crazy. He seems to be relying on his plan of lynching one of the lurkers to save himself from being lynched.

Vote: hatmoza



Final-Fan on 04 February 2010
Vetteman94 said:
Final-Fan said:
Vetteman94 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Vetteman94 said:
And I have always had my distrust for the ones who seems to try and take over a game by dictating who to vote for, especially ones who havent been confirmed as pro-town. 

Wrong.

My statement is not something you can claim is wrong, it is my belief and is something I have always been leary of.  You cannot tell me how to think about certain people in certain situations. 

Well, look, when your belief makes or implies factual statements that can be wrong, then he can say "that is wrong" even though you're entitled to your opinions.  

For instance:  when did WoW "dictate who to vote for"?  The most that you could claim IMO is that he attempted to dictate that we should vote for someone.   

Where Am I implying anything that is not happening?  For one I never singled out WoW, because it isnt only one person who is doing it, but her replying to my post has guilty written all over it.  And they are trying to dictate who to vote for,  its basically, if you vote no lynch then you are not playing the game correctly and that makes you guilty. 

Bold #1:  That is a meaningless objection because you agree that it was directed at WoW (among, apparently, others).  

Bold #2:  Do you understand the words that are coming out of my keyboard?  DICTATE WHO TO VOTE FOR means "you must vote for this person" (or even "... or else").  It doesn't mean "vote for somebody".  WoW has not pushed anyone into voting hatmoza IIRC.  

I don't have a big issue with your clarification which is that WoW is attempting to dictate that we must vote for somebody.  

P.S.  What is it about my posts that makes people not understand what I'm trying to say?  It looks perfectly clear to me.  I don't get it.  It's not just you, Vetteman.  Your post is just the one that made me snap.  



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zexen_lowe on 04 February 2010

Seriously, by the tone some people are speaking now, you'd think I voted for each one that didn't vote Hatmoza. I didn't vote aynone but him. I didn't FoS anyone....I didn't even attack nen after he voted for me....I mean, come on, you are the ones overreacting




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Final-Fan on 04 February 2010

Ironically I misread Vetteman's post. I thought he said "it [meaning WoW] isn't the only one doing it". What he actually said doesn't explicitly acknowledge that he directed that at WoW (among others) but it is still strongly implied IMO, and I'll be surprised if he denies it.



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Words Of Wisdom on 04 February 2010
Vetteman94 said:

Where Am I implying anything that is not happening?  For one I never singled out WoW, because it isnt only one person who is doing it, but her replying to my post has guilty written all over it.  And they are trying to dictate who to vote for,  its basically, if you vote no lynch then you are not playing the game correctly and that makes you guilty. 

We have had 457 posts as of this one.  FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY SEVEN.

Everyone should have some suspects and at least one worth voting for.  If all someone has is suspects then they should pressure them until they think they're worth voting for or they're satisfied with their answers.  If they have no suspects then it means they're not scumhunting which in turn means they're either useless to the town or anti-town.

A lot of mafia players on vgChartz play very passive games.  The contribute as little as possible and just react to things as they happen contributing only the occasional "I agree, vote XYZ" post.  I'm the opposite, I prefer to make things happen.  I play aggressively and question just about everything.  My lifespan in mafia games can be exceptionally short because of my playstyle, but something good will come out of it.  Whether my conclusions are right or wrong, there will be plenty of material to reflect upon.



Final-Fan on 04 February 2010
hatmoza said:
ArkZero
DaBuddahN
Darthdevidem01
KingFate
makingmusic476

Now look at that list of lurkers and ask yourself, was my idea of lynching a lurker really that wrong?

MM476's presence on that list bothers me.  I can't even recall any posts of his.  I mean, I'm sure there's one or two back at the start somewhere, but usually he participates, doesn't he?  

Troubling.  



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Final-Fan on 04 February 2010
Words Of Wisdom said:
Vetteman94 said:

Where Am I implying anything that is not happening?  For one I never singled out WoW, because it isnt only one person who is doing it, but her replying to my post has guilty written all over it.  And they are trying to dictate who to vote for,  its basically, if you vote no lynch then you are not playing the game correctly and that makes you guilty. 

We have had 457 posts as of this one. 
Everyone should have some suspects and at least one worth voting for.  If all someone has is suspects then they should pressure them until they think they're worth voting for or they're satisfied with their answers.  If they have no suspects then it means they're not scumhunting which in turn means they're either useless to the town or anti-town.

Since this is somewhat on point to the second point of my response to you above:  

And if they suspect people, and are satisfied with the answers?  
(I suppose you could come back with "find new suspects or question random people if you have to", but TOS has already put a deadline on this day.) 



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Words Of Wisdom on 04 February 2010
Final-Fan said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
Defending someone in mafia doesn't mean getting on a soap box and proclaiming they're innocent.  There are plenty of other ways to defend someone.  When you repeatedly say that someone is not suspicious and not worthy of being lynched, that's defending them.

Right now no one should be defending anyone because none of know anyone's alignment but our own... except for the mafia.  It's in the mafia's best interest to defend each other (so they win) and townsfolk (to look pro-town when the person flips town) so anyone consistently trying to defend others or not finding someone suspicious like you tends to be mafia.

FoS: SciFiBoy

So let me get this straight:  on Day 1, according to you, there is no such thing as an accusation without merit?  Or is it just that we aren't allowed to object if we see someone getting bandwagoned for no reason?  

Whoever said anything about just on Day 1?  It goes for all days.

That said, if you see someone bandwagoning and voting without giving reasons then you call attention to that person because it's scummy behavior.