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Final-Fan on 03 February 2010
dtewi said:
Final-Fan said:
hatmoza said:
coming to think of it , the only person I'm pressuring is Zexen. What are you talking about FF? ? ?

Well, as I recall it, the people pressuring you have been mainly WoW, zexen, myself, and I think Dgc.  You've lashed out at or made counteraccusations against WoW, zexen, and I think Dgc.  I'd also put dtewi in both of those groups except he hasn't posted that much.  

He had also made an accuastion against me after I accused him.

This is definietly not coincidental. hatmoza, why specifially those people?

Well, I didn't mean to say that he's ONLY suspected people who suspect him ... although I can't recall any exceptions offhand.  [edit:  Oh, he named Falcon along with you in his "lynch a lurker" proposal.]

Either way, I agree that coincidence doesn't appear to be an option.   



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hatmoza on 03 February 2010
Final-Fan said:
hatmoza said:
coming to think of it , the only person I'm pressuring is Zexen. What are you talking about FF? ? ?

Well, as I recall it, the people pressuring you have been mainly WoW, zexen, myself, and I think Dgc.  You've lashed out at or made counteraccusations against WoW, zexen, and I think Dgc.  I'd also put dtewi in both of those groups except he hasn't posted that much.  

Zexen, yes. WoW was me being bitter. And wtf dtewi??? All I said about dtewi is that he was a lurker, and that was because I was asked who I thought were lurkers.

I was actually being civil with dgc, yes he voted me and was aggressive towards me but I don't think I've lashed at em, did I?

FF are you even keeping up with the game? Now out of all your games is not the time to slack! :P



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Words Of Wisdom on 03 February 2010
hatmoza said:
Ok, so scumhunting is ok, but figuring out who isn't also leads to them getting lynched?

Correct.  You should almost never post your "I think XYZ is town" thoughts.  The goal of the mafia is to get mislynches every round and kill people who either threaten them or they can't mislynch during the day.  If everyone is absolutely sure that XYZ is town then that person will likely get night-killed pretty fast because the mafia can't get them mislynched.

The goal for townsfolk is to walk the line.  Look scummy enough to avoid getting nightkilled and pro-town enough to avoid actually getting lynched.  Of course, once a cop comes out and says "So & so is pro-town" then that person is pretty much screwed.



dtewi on 03 February 2010
Words Of Wisdom said:
hatmoza said:
Ok, so scumhunting is ok, but figuring out who isn't also leads to them getting lynched?

Correct.  You should almost never post your "I think XYZ is town" thoughts.  The goal of the mafia is to get mislynches every round and kill people who either threaten them or they can't mislynch during the day.  If everyone is absolutely sure that XYZ is town then that person will likely get night-killed pretty fast because the mafia can't get them mislynched.

The goal for townsfolk is to walk the line.  Look scummy enough to avoid getting nightkilled and pro-town enough to avoid actually getting lynched.  Of course, once a cop comes out and says "So & so is pro-town" then that person is pretty much screwed.

But the scum know the other scum. It doesn't matter if "XYZ" is town and the cop says that since the scum would already know they're not anti-town, right?



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

Words Of Wisdom on 03 February 2010
SciFiBoy said:

READ MY POST IN FULL, THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID

I said that we should consider the risk of being wrong in any lynch we attempt, if we have good reasons why a person might be mafia then that reduces the risk attached to lynching them, the question is, are the reasons to vote hatmoza enough to sufficiently reduce (in our individual judgements) the risk of lynching him?

my answer is that currently, no, those reasons do not sufficently reduce the risk for me to vote for him. (im not saying I dont suspect him, im saying I dont suspect him enough to lynch him, yet alone start a small crusade to acheive that lynch)

Do you realize that many mafia games are played with only a cop or only a doctor... and nothing else?

In regular mafia, you're never certain someone is mafia.  There's always the possibility of being wrong however whether you're wrong or right, you learn from that and base your reasoning off of it.  Either way, you can learn something.

Here's how I see things going if we don't lynch:

Day 1:  No Lynch
Day 2:  Cop - WoW is innocent!
Day 2:  Everyone else - We don't have enough evidence to lynch anyone ?????

We're heading to exactly the same position tomorrow as we are today only with me as confirmed pro-town and one or more dead townies.

I'd rather lynch someone today and get a sense of who said what during Day 1 so we actually have stuff to go on tomorrow.



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trangentspree on 03 February 2010
dtewi said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
hatmoza said:
Ok, so scumhunting is ok, but figuring out who isn't also leads to them getting lynched?

Correct.  You should almost never post your "I think XYZ is town" thoughts.  The goal of the mafia is to get mislynches every round and kill people who either threaten them or they can't mislynch during the day.  If everyone is absolutely sure that XYZ is town then that person will likely get night-killed pretty fast because the mafia can't get them mislynched.

The goal for townsfolk is to walk the line.  Look scummy enough to avoid getting nightkilled and pro-town enough to avoid actually getting lynched.  Of course, once a cop comes out and says "So & so is pro-town" then that person is pretty much screwed.

But the scum know the other scum. It doesn't matter if "XYZ" is town and the cop says that since the scum would already know they're not anti-town, right?

Are mafia made aware of who the other mafia in the game are at the start or do they find out during the first night?



Words Of Wisdom on 03 February 2010
dtewi said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
hatmoza said:
Ok, so scumhunting is ok, but figuring out who isn't also leads to them getting lynched?

Correct.  You should almost never post your "I think XYZ is town" thoughts.  The goal of the mafia is to get mislynches every round and kill people who either threaten them or they can't mislynch during the day.  If everyone is absolutely sure that XYZ is town then that person will likely get night-killed pretty fast because the mafia can't get them mislynched.

The goal for townsfolk is to walk the line.  Look scummy enough to avoid getting nightkilled and pro-town enough to avoid actually getting lynched.  Of course, once a cop comes out and says "So & so is pro-town" then that person is pretty much screwed.

But the scum know the other scum. It doesn't matter if "XYZ" is town and the cop says that since the scum would already know they're not anti-town, right?

But when the Cop verifies it, it eliminates the scum's chance to get the town to lynch XYZ. 

When a cop points at you and says "You're innocent" then the odds of getting lynched just went to 0% whereas the odds of getting nightkilled just rose dramatically.



Words Of Wisdom on 03 February 2010
trangentspree said:

Are mafia made aware of who the other mafia in the game are at the start or do they find out during the first night?

I've always run it where mafia are notified in their initial PM of who their mafia partners are.  I assume TruckOSaurus would run it the same way.



Words Of Wisdom on 03 February 2010
Vetteman94 said:

And I have always had my distrust for the ones who seems to try and take over a game by dictating who to vote for, especially ones who havent been confirmed as pro-town. 

Wrong.

theRepublic said:

Words of Wisdom seems to be trying to dominate the game right now. That doesn't sit well with me. Leading the town is fine, but the way it is being done just doesn't feel right at the moment.

Wrong.

Disagree with my reasoning, not me.  If you think hatmoza is innocent then don't vote him, but don't vote "No Lynch" because you don't like my playstyle.  That's not helping the town.  That's running away from the game.

So I'll ask you both directly:  Does hatmoza seem scummy to you?



Vetteman94 on 03 February 2010
Words Of Wisdom said:
Vetteman94 said:

And I have always had my distrust for the ones who seems to try and take over a game by dictating who to vote for, especially ones who havent been confirmed as pro-town. 

Wrong.

theRepublic said:

Words of Wisdom seems to be trying to dominate the game right now. That doesn't sit well with me. Leading the town is fine, but the way it is being done just doesn't feel right at the moment.

Wrong.

Disagree with my reasoning, not me.  If you think hatmoza is innocent then don't vote him, but don't vote "No Lynch" because you don't like my playstyle.  That's not helping the town.  That's running away from the game.

So I'll ask you both directly:  Does hatmoza seem scummy to you?

My statement is not something you can claim is wrong, it is my belief and is something I have always been leary of.  You cannot tell me how to think about certain people in certain situations. 

And to your question, no I do not,  hence why I voted No Lynch