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hatmoza on 02 February 2010

you guys really have nothing to talk about when I'm not here, do ya'll.

gimme a few to reply to falcon and FF's post. I have time now.



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hatmoza on 02 February 2010
Falcon095 said:

Ok, I'm a bit confused..
First Hatmoza comes and starts acting a bit crazy so WoW (And more people) start jumping into him, later when he says "wth WoW" and she answers with "contribute or get lynched" he suddenly doesn't care what she thinks anymore. After that he is starts saying that we should lynch the lurkers because it's the best, which is not really correct.. I'm pretty sure that most of the time lurkers have ended up being towny that apparently didn't care much about the game (like RTC), when WoW says that's being scummy (which it is) he justifies himself by saying that's what he can offer (And I think saying something like that is lame..) when WoW ask him for his lurker option, he says that a consistent luker like me or dtewi.. Ok.. let's stop there.. He wants to lynch a "lurker" judging from previous games when he is acting pretty much like past games in which he has been anti-town.

Let's look at at what hatmoza has done so far..
- Acting crazy
- Say "lynch a lurker" (and specially me)
- Defy WoW saying that she will suffer when he appears as pro town
- Have this "stick with what I think 'till the end" mentality

Just because you claim to be pro town this game aint meant that eveybody will think the same, Hatmoza.

Now let's continue..

He claimed this "WoW is intimidated by my consistency".. Ok.. Could somebody tell my a reason of why would WoW be intimidated for a consistency of being a crazy player who got himself lynched (or killed) everytime inventing roles and making no sense? I can't think in anything.. Yeah you got a MVP Mafia, but that doesn't really mean that were exaclty the best player, just that you were the best mafia, and to be honest the mafia didn't shine in that game, now, I'm not saying you played bad.. You actually almost made everybody believe you, but between dsister and DBN that didn't go too far.

After that he got voted and he apparently is proud of his attitude and claim that it makes experience players and he threaten WoW, like he has done in past games. Then he voted No lynch and when sfb made fun because he didnt say a reason he said that he wanted to vote for a lurker but since it's not going to happen he just voted no lynch and said that eventhough he is gonna get lynched he doesn't care because he never give up.. the hell? Are you some sort of kamikaze, hatmoza? That's the attitude that has killed you in most (if not all) games.. It's like when Carl was a pro town role (and many times a good one) and when he was being voted all that he did was.. "I'm pro town stop voting for me or you will see tomorrow". I don't know what you think hatmoza but "never give up" in those cases doesn't make you look like a hero or brave.

Later he tried to blame WoW of his craziness when even himself said it early and when zex stated his past mistakes he claims again that WoW just want him because of his apparently "awesome" consistency and start bragging about he has lived longer in the past 2 times and his award that while show that he played better, also show that mafia wasnt exactly the best in that last game.

And now he's justifying himself saying he doesn't pay attention of what he says in first day and that he calms down after it.

(now if you all excuse me this post took me like 1hr and I really have to sleep lol)

Well I should have stated that question better and asked her/him in a professional way why she suddenly picked me and (whoever I forget) to be the center of discussion. I see however that it was a tactic to get people involved in the game. but I was kinda ticked off that people were actually taking it too seriously. And when she suddenly lashed out at me and threatened to get me lynched I honestly got angry. Not only because he/she thought that they have already established control over the game but because he/she cracked a joke but other people who were trying to be funny or in his/her words not 'scum hunting' were suspicious ... 

 

I still think lynching a lurker is the best way to go if we were to lynch somebody the first day. I can understand how that can kind of upset you because of you being the biggest or considered the biggest lurker, but really? You find that scummy? I'm not saying that the talks were worthless but for petes sakes people, it isn't helpful TODAY to actually lynch someone for it. I personally have no idea who is scum or not at this point, that's why I'm not attacking anyone. And please don't say I was threatening wow I was merely stating that when I turn up town tomorrow it wouldn't look good for her/him. 'Lynch all lurkers' and 'lynch all liar's are actual REAL methods used by big mafia games. I think it even has a page on mafiawiki. obviously big shot players agree with that method... why does that make me crazy?

 

 

 

 

Like I said. I have no reason to trust anyone until I have or they give me a reason to. Maybe if she/he didn't act like a douche and actually include me in 'is little session instead of being a prik and throwing empty threats at me I would have cooperated with em. Not necessarily agree or trust em, but cooperate. Honestly, go back to that part and place yourself in my shoes, I'm sure none of you would have liked to be treated that way and would have shown signs of anger like I did. All my insults and attacks were out of bitterness after that -_-. as for the wow immitators I was actually making fun of dtewi (i think it was falcon maybe) because he completely ripped off wow's tactics  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

hatmoza on 02 February 2010

I didn't finish that, I'm having trouble with firefox and the quoting is acting funny -_-



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Final-Fan on 02 February 2010
Dgc1808 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:

The people voting "no lynch" aren't playing mafia.  They're not scum hunting.  They're not analyzing or bothering to look for suspicious behavior.  That stuff doesn't just magically appear but it does come through via discussion.  The more we talk, the more we accuse, and the more we pressure people the more likely it becomes that they'll slip up.  Just saying "We don't have enough evidence" and voting "No Lynch" isn't how the game is or should be played.

I want to have fun and actually play mafia.  It'd be nice if more people felt the same.

Finally! This is how I feel every day one. It ALWAYS feels like we're just throwing away a perfectly good day that could have been used to squeeze out a few slip ups.

I still say there's no shame in voting No Lynch if a reasonably robust discussion has taken place without any strong suspects emerging.  But obviously if one does pop up there's no reason people can't be lynched on Day 1.  Which has happened here.  



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Final-Fan on 02 February 2010
hatmoza said:
Like I said. I have no reason to trust anyone until I have or they give me a reason to. Maybe if she/he didn't act like a douche and actually include me in 'is little session instead of being a prik and throwing empty threats at me I would have cooperated with em. Not necessarily agree or trust em, but cooperate. Honestly, go back to that part and place yourself in my shoes, I'm sure none of you would have liked to be treated that way and would have shown signs of anger like I did. All my insults and attacks were out of bitterness after that -_-. as for the wow immitators I was actually making fun of dtewi (i think it was falcon maybe) because he completely ripped off wow's tactics  

I still don't know what you meant by WoW excluding you from whatever.  The only thing I can think of is that you were the one (or one of the ones) you say he zeroed in on.  But that seems odd if that's what you mean because then you're saying you'd be fine with that if it was someone else it happened to?  Help me out here.  



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hatmoza on 02 February 2010

@ FF
start here http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=99735&page=6
this is were wow was getting everyone involved after someone voted me. I asked her "wth?" and her mightiness threatened to lynch me. This is when I became bitter because my opinions apparently don't matter and I'm not allowed to ask questions.



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SciFiBoy on 03 February 2010
Words Of Wisdom said:
dsister44 said:
hatmoza said:
Hold your Chocobos guys! If you're all going to lynch me day 1 just for being "me", you are the crazy ones.

If I do get lynched however, don't believe the cover up of me being crazy. I could have shut my mouth up, but I choose to be active. This is a perfect excuse for scum to use for getting away with an easy extra kill. don't fall for the bandwagon. You have my word I'll turn up innocent, that really doesn't bother me, but knowing that my death will be in vain because the excuse of me being crazy will not lead to any suspicions of the people who joined the bandwagon really hurts me.

Yeah, this is what gets me about him. If he really were guilty I couldn't see him digging this grave 

Keeping quiet when people are onto you gets you lynched as we've seen in game after game in the past.  hatmoza has no choice but to defend himself whether he's scum or not.

The thing that's bothering me right now is that there are people like SciFiBoy who are outright defending hatmoza.  In standard mafia, you know the alignment of one person--yourself... so why defend someone else?

Even stranger, SciFiBoy has been repeating the same things more or less since I started seriously looking at hatmoza.  If someone brings information to the table, you generally examine that information and comment on it at least.  SciFiBoy's posts are making it seem like he's not even considering it.

SciFiBoy from page 2:

SciFiBoy said:
same old hatmoza...lol

nothing much to go on yet imo, people have been acting as usual on day 1, random, sure, but I dont think its much to go on

that said, I will be keeping a close eye on hatmoza, he had me fooled last round, so you never know...

SciFiBoy from page 4:

SciFiBoy said:

vote: no lynch 

I really dont think there is any good reason to vote for someone at this point, people are being jumpy and random, certainly there are people who are slightly suspicious, but voting for any of them would be little more than a hunch and a big risk at this point imo.

I really want to lynch hatmoza today, because if he flips scum tomorrow then I'm almost positive SciFiBoy is scum as well.  I don't know about the rest of you, but going into Day 3 with two mafia dead sounds pretty good to me.

im not defending him in either of thoose posts...

im saying that I dont think that there is enough reason to lynch him yet...

I even said I would be "keeping a close eye on hatmoza" in the first post...which I am...

im definitley not scum...




zexen_lowe on 03 February 2010

Well, I'd say that by voting No Lynch (specially when we've all agreed that we won't No Lynch), you're indirectly defending him and not condemning his behavior




hatmoza on 03 February 2010

zexen, what's hard to understand about his decision (no I'm not defending him) but I agree that we shouldn't just lynch people today based on today's actions. They will be useful in later days.

It's funny that you say "(specially when we've all agreed that we won't No Lynch)" ???me axum FF and a forth person agreed to lynch a lurker a few dozen posts back. What about that plan? Or was it not important because it wasn't your plan? maybe yours and wow's?



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

zexen_lowe on 03 February 2010

Ehm, lynching a lurker wouldn't exactly fit in the "agreeing that we won't No Lynch" part??