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makingmusic476 on 02 February 2010
Final-Fan said:
hatmoza said:
As I stated early in the game. I would like to lynch a consistent lurker (based on passed games) but FF and others feel that we judge the lurkers based on the first day.

My choices would have been falcon and dtewi, but lets see how the day goes by.

I had some trouble relocating this post to quote it.  

 I don't approve of your method because
(A) it assumes that people don't improve their behavior -- what if someone was determined to be better and then just gets lynched because he used to lurk?  I'd be really annoyed if it was me.  
(B) it's not really true IMO.  Falcon has this huge reputation as a lurker but he's not that bad, at least in recent games, and as for dtewi, well, I just don't see where you're coming from with that even though it's a legitimately held opinion.   

As for judging them "based on the first day", maybe that's why I usually go with No Lynch the first day -- to give more time to form an opinion on lurkers, as well as other people.  

But for this game, I'll go ahead and
Vote hatmoza.  
If you're not bad, you're doing a pretty good impression of someone who's cracked under pressure IMO.  Also, I notice you've apparently decided to vote No Lynch in apparent contradiction of this post.  Did I miss something?  

Ha.  Last game was the first game he decided to not lurk, and what did he do?  Put a giant "I have a power role!" sign on my forehead, and of course all interested parties targeted me that very night.  I was both shot and eaten!

"I think mm has a secret he needs to share with us," is basically the only thing he said at the beginning of the game (specifcally day two, iirc). 

Thanks falcon!

/is still bitter



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makingmusic476 on 02 February 2010

And what's really funny is that the day I turned up dead, I recall numerous posts (from nordlead and some others) essentially saying:

"Why'd everybody go after makingmusic last night? And what secret was Falcon trying to find out? This all makes no sense."

Heeellooooooo. Put two and two together! I truly wonder why every anti-town faction went after me in one night!



makingmusic476 on 02 February 2010
zexen_lowe said:
There's one reason to trust WoW (ok, not TRUST, but at least now completely discard what she says). That is, we know her alignment very soon, it inevitably happens. So, if she's misleading us, it will be for one night only. WoW knows this perfectly (and I've discussed this with her outside mafia games, that she can't be a good mafia because she draws an investigation from the cop right from the beginning).

So, as a start, we should at least not distrust her for this one day, for if she's playing with us, she'll be caught soon

Of course I've considered the possibility of WoW being an SK, but that would meant that at first she'll be more interested in mafia dying, now town.


As for the suspects today, obviously hatmoza isn't doing anything to defend himself. I'm not yet voting him, but I think it'll be ultimately on what this day will end.

For Scifiboy, I wanna say that I've looked at him a couple games, he always has his not-so-useful posts, just stating what has been said before, whether he's scum or town, and Jo is the same. They're doing it again this time, and it's nothing to be surprised of. Doesn't bring any conclusions, doesn't help the town either. They're just trying not to be labeled as lurkers

Of course, if WoW is mafia, she'll know she's fucked, so she may just be thinking, "Fuck it.  I'll be dead by tomorrow night, so might as well take down somebody today if I can."

:P

 



zexen_lowe on 02 February 2010
makingmusic476 said:
zexen_lowe said:
There's one reason to trust WoW (ok, not TRUST, but at least now completely discard what she says). That is, we know her alignment very soon, it inevitably happens. So, if she's misleading us, it will be for one night only. WoW knows this perfectly (and I've discussed this with her outside mafia games, that she can't be a good mafia because she draws an investigation from the cop right from the beginning).

So, as a start, we should at least not distrust her for this one day, for if she's playing with us, she'll be caught soon

Of course I've considered the possibility of WoW being an SK, but that would meant that at first she'll be more interested in mafia dying, now town.


As for the suspects today, obviously hatmoza isn't doing anything to defend himself. I'm not yet voting him, but I think it'll be ultimately on what this day will end.

For Scifiboy, I wanna say that I've looked at him a couple games, he always has his not-so-useful posts, just stating what has been said before, whether he's scum or town, and Jo is the same. They're doing it again this time, and it's nothing to be surprised of. Doesn't bring any conclusions, doesn't help the town either. They're just trying not to be labeled as lurkers

Of course, if WoW is mafia, she'll know she's fucked, so she may just be thinking, "Fuck it.  I'll be dead by tomorrow night, so might as well take down somebody today if I can."

:P

 

Yeah, but if she's trying to take down hatmoza with her....well...let's just say hatmoza can take himself down alone very well, without any help




makingmusic476 on 02 February 2010

I never said it was likely. Merely that it's possible.



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SciFiBoy on 02 February 2010
zexen_lowe said:
There's one reason to trust WoW (ok, not TRUST, but at least now completely discard what she says). That is, we know her alignment very soon, it inevitably happens. So, if she's misleading us, it will be for one night only. WoW knows this perfectly (and I've discussed this with her outside mafia games, that she can't be a good mafia because she draws an investigation from the cop right from the beginning).

So, as a start, we should at least not distrust her for this one day, for if she's playing with us, she'll be caught soon

Of course I've considered the possibility of WoW being an SK, but that would meant that at first she'll be more interested in mafia dying, now town.


As for the suspects today, obviously hatmoza isn't doing anything to defend himself. I'm not yet voting him, but I think it'll be ultimately on what this day will end.

For Scifiboy, I wanna say that I've looked at him a couple games, he always has his not-so-useful posts, just stating what has been said before, whether he's scum or town, and Jo is the same. They're doing it again this time, and it's nothing to be surprised of. Doesn't bring any conclusions, doesn't help the town either. They're just trying not to be labeled as lurkers

yes, because you never post anything that isnt very useful to the town? what now, you want me to apologise for not being phsycic and thus able to allways post things that turn out to be "useful"?

seriously, I like how people think throwing around lousy reasons to suspect people is useful to the town, how? all it does is increase the risk that we end up lynching someone without good reason, if they are pro-town, this "useful" activity is only useful if youre scum.
(the above is @ no-one in particular, just a general point)

when I see things worth commenting on, I will do so, as I have done here, I dont aprreciate the implication that im "not so useful"

as for posting whats been said before? you can probably find examples of EVERYONE doing that at some point or another...




hatmoza on 02 February 2010
Final-Fan said:
hatmoza said:
I feel honored wow.

I am not deliberately doing anything. Go through my past posts and you will see that I'm doing everything I see fit for the time and pace of the game. You asked me questions (thank you) and I gave honest answers. I contributed with ideas of my own but you do not aknowledge them. My behavior always has been the same. I stated that I genuinely want to lynch scum. I role claimed town.

like i stated earlier, you have set me up as a crazy player so my death would mean nothing and have no suspicion put on you. People will just say "oh he was acting crazy so who cares." No, you won't get off as simply when I turn up town tomorrow, and you will suffer for it.

No.  No no no no no.  You don't get to pin this on WoW.  You were a crazy player right out of the gate -- loud and proud, or so I thought until now.  And your craziness has only gotten worse under questioning.  

I'm starting to think you're cracking under the pressure.  Didn't that happen in that one game where I accused you really early on and it ended up with you getting lynched and being bad?  

Please define crazy? 

besides the jokes and my bitterness towards wow. I have posted what I felt appropriate, I'm sorry if not agreeing with everyone makes me crazy. 

what questions? Please point them out. Why would I crack on the first day? Everything that is being said or used against is because of something I willingly posted. I'm not bothered at all actually. I'm just relieved I'm town and thought I'd share that with everyone on the first day. 

I gotta admit that I'm not bothered or upset as much as I am surprised that you are actually voting to lynch someone on the first day. It's totally not your style... IIRC



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

hatmoza on 02 February 2010
Final-Fan said:
hatmoza said:
Here you go WOW, according to your logic, apparently FF and axumblade are guilty of not 'scumhunting' either.
http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=3111478

Getting people to contribute (meaningfully) to the game is related to scumhunting.  Lynching lurkers is incentive for people to not lurk, depriving scum of some of their best cover.  And the innocent ex-lurkers might just find themselves being useful in their own right.  

wow, you must have some amazing abilities there! We're saved, apparently you and everyone else in the game besides myself have physcic abilities to figure out who the scum are day one!!! [sarcasm

for the tenth time, what happens/ed today is VERY useful, but not particularly useful today.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

hatmoza on 02 February 2010
zexen_lowe said:
makingmusic476 said:
zexen_lowe said:
There's one reason to trust WoW (ok, not TRUST, but at least now completely discard what she says). That is, we know her alignment very soon, it inevitably happens. So, if she's misleading us, it will be for one night only. WoW knows this perfectly (and I've discussed this with her outside mafia games, that she can't be a good mafia because she draws an investigation from the cop right from the beginning).

So, as a start, we should at least not distrust her for this one day, for if she's playing with us, she'll be caught soon

Of course I've considered the possibility of WoW being an SK, but that would meant that at first she'll be more interested in mafia dying, now town.


As for the suspects today, obviously hatmoza isn't doing anything to defend himself. I'm not yet voting him, but I think it'll be ultimately on what this day will end.

For Scifiboy, I wanna say that I've looked at him a couple games, he always has his not-so-useful posts, just stating what has been said before, whether he's scum or town, and Jo is the same. They're doing it again this time, and it's nothing to be surprised of. Doesn't bring any conclusions, doesn't help the town either. They're just trying not to be labeled as lurkers

Of course, if WoW is mafia, she'll know she's fucked, so she may just be thinking, "Fuck it.  I'll be dead by tomorrow night, so might as well take down somebody today if I can."

:P

 

Yeah, but if she's trying to take down hatmoza with her....well...let's just say hatmoza can take himself down alone very well, without any help

nah, I'm telling ya, she basically wants me to change my style of play in which she can get a better read of me. she just hates the fact that I'm not following her lead yet :P



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

zexen_lowe on 02 February 2010
hatmoza said:
zexen_lowe said:
makingmusic476 said:
zexen_lowe said:
There's one reason to trust WoW (ok, not TRUST, but at least now completely discard what she says). That is, we know her alignment very soon, it inevitably happens. So, if she's misleading us, it will be for one night only. WoW knows this perfectly (and I've discussed this with her outside mafia games, that she can't be a good mafia because she draws an investigation from the cop right from the beginning).

So, as a start, we should at least not distrust her for this one day, for if she's playing with us, she'll be caught soon

Of course I've considered the possibility of WoW being an SK, but that would meant that at first she'll be more interested in mafia dying, now town.


As for the suspects today, obviously hatmoza isn't doing anything to defend himself. I'm not yet voting him, but I think it'll be ultimately on what this day will end.

For Scifiboy, I wanna say that I've looked at him a couple games, he always has his not-so-useful posts, just stating what has been said before, whether he's scum or town, and Jo is the same. They're doing it again this time, and it's nothing to be surprised of. Doesn't bring any conclusions, doesn't help the town either. They're just trying not to be labeled as lurkers

Of course, if WoW is mafia, she'll know she's fucked, so she may just be thinking, "Fuck it.  I'll be dead by tomorrow night, so might as well take down somebody today if I can."

:P

 

Yeah, but if she's trying to take down hatmoza with her....well...let's just say hatmoza can take himself down alone very well, without any help

nah, I'm telling ya, she basically wants me to change my style of play in which she can get a better read of me. she just hates the fact that I'm not following her lead yet :P

Look, your style of play has never allowed you to live more than three days. I assure you, if there's anything we don't need to bet much is on you dying early...it always happens one way or another, and you always make sure of that, if I might add

This way, you're only confirming the theory