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trangentspree on 08 March 2010
dsister44 said:
trangentspree said:

1. Buddying with a player that might be innocent is not a stuipid move for scum. He only started to distance himself from Zexen the next day when Zexen was already coming under suspicion from people.

2. I redirect you to this post yet again.

  Why would any experienced player want to draw the cop out of hiding for any reason, knowing full well it means everyone knows who the cop is and they only have to find the doctor to completely screw the town over - and the doctor is forced to protect the cop from that point onwards and so is completely unable to protect anyone else in the town? A knock on effect of this is that the cop has to prove he is the cop by announcing someone as guilty/innocent - and with the average townie/mafia ratio there is always a better chance the cop will announce an innocent - and this gives scuma clear target for that night.

Even WoW later admitted this was not a good move.

1. But why would a scum separate from themselves from an innocent? 

2. Explain this to me. What does this have to do with what I said?

1. It wasn't revealed that Zexen was innocent until after Day2. Towards the end of Day1 people (myself included) had cast suspicion at Zexen and on Day2 itself Zexen had a number of votes against him.

2. Asking the cop to roleclaim to clear you for any reason is bad for the town because 1. everyone knows who the cop is and they only have to find the doc to completely screw over the town 2. the doc is rendered useless to the town as from that point on he must protect the cop for as long as he himself lives now that he's lost his anonymity 3. a knock on effect is that the cop must prove his role by announcing a result, where there is an overwhelming chance that result will be innocent - a free target for scum.

Not wanting to be investigated after that day creates the perfect scenario for WoW if he is the SK

The Doc can't protect the town and so everyone is vulnerable to nightkills

The Cop will live a few days longer because the Doc is forced to protect him

The Cop is unwillingly doing the SK a favour by potentially identifying mafia scum and therefore an obvious lynch target.



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dsister44 on 08 March 2010
trangentspree said:

1. It wasn't revealed that Zexen was innocent until after Day2. Towards the end of Day1 people (myself included) had cast suspicion at Zexen and on Day2 itself Zexen had a number of votes against him.

2. Asking the cop to roleclaim to clear you for any reason is bad for the town because 1. everyone knows who the cop is and they only have to find the doc to completely screw over the town 2. the doc is rendered useless to the town as from that point on he must protect the cop for as long as he himself lives now that he's lost his anonymity 3. a knock on effect is that the cop must prove his role by announcing a result, where there is an overwhelming chance that result will be innocent - a free target for scum.

Not wanting to be investigated after that day creates the perfect scenario for WoW if he is the SK

The Doc can't protect the town and so everyone is vulnerable to nightkills

The Cop will live a few days longer because the Doc is forced to protect him

The Cop is unwillingly doing the SK a favour by potentially identifying mafia scum and therefore an obvious lynch target.

1. I get what you are saying, but that isn't making any sense.( I did just think of something though) 

2. I know how the game works... But what does that have to do with WoW's roleclaim?



trangentspree on 08 March 2010
dsister44 said:
trangentspree said:

1. It wasn't revealed that Zexen was innocent until after Day2. Towards the end of Day1 people (myself included) had cast suspicion at Zexen and on Day2 itself Zexen had a number of votes against him.

2. Asking the cop to roleclaim to clear you for any reason is bad for the town because 1. everyone knows who the cop is and they only have to find the doc to completely screw over the town 2. the doc is rendered useless to the town as from that point on he must protect the cop for as long as he himself lives now that he's lost his anonymity 3. a knock on effect is that the cop must prove his role by announcing a result, where there is an overwhelming chance that result will be innocent - a free target for scum.

Not wanting to be investigated after that day creates the perfect scenario for WoW if he is the SK

The Doc can't protect the town and so everyone is vulnerable to nightkills

The Cop will live a few days longer because the Doc is forced to protect him

The Cop is unwillingly doing the SK a favour by potentially identifying mafia scum and therefore an obvious lynch target.

1. I get what you are saying, but that isn't making any sense.( I did just think of something though) 

2. I know how the game works... But what does that have to do with WoW's roleclaim?

1. It makes sense to want to separate yourself from someone after they are beginning to popularly be perceived as suspicious.

2. Because WoW's roleclaim is bogus, he is really the serial killer.



KingFate on 08 March 2010

He is saying that WoW's role claim, is merely smoke and mirrors. The role claim is a lie, and he is the SK.



PSN ID: KingFate_

Words Of Wisdom on 08 March 2010
trangentspree said:

You're the one that invented the stupid 'hide' ability for your role. But you're the SK so you don't need to use an action during the night to protect yourself, you've already got the protection as default. So no, you do not have the alibi that you would like to believe you have.

@ You are desperate for a bandwaggon to pull you out of this aren't you?

No Serial Killer in a vgChartz game has ever been fully nightkill immune and no Serial Killer on mafiascum.net gets both investigation immunity and nightkill immunity.

The "hide" ability wasn't invented by me.  It comes from a variant on the Reporter role where the Reporter has the ability to hide in the news room or investigate.  I was actually a Reporter in a past game (where I successfully got the town to victory).  This is much the same thing, the  differences are that I don't have the consecutive night limitation the Reporter role had and, instead of report ability, I have the watch ability.  The only thing I don't like about my role is the name (because I don't drink).

And of course I don't have an alibi that you'd believe, you're scum and you've got tunnel vision on me.  Nothing I can say will convince you otherwise.



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Words Of Wisdom on 08 March 2010
  Voting To Lynch ( Lynched | Murdered | Other | Modkilled )
Person Day 1
 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Identity
axumblade darthdevidem01
zexen_lowe SuperAdrianK
trashleg
 axumblade  
c03n3nj0 hatmoza
sabby_e17
- No Vote - trangentspree
axumblade
 
dtewi (dsister44)
 hatmoza zexen_lowe - No Vote -
trashleg
axumblade
 
Falcon095 darthdevidem01
sabby_e17
KingFate
 - No Vote -
 - No Vote -
 
KingFate hatmoza
- No Vote -
- No Vote -
WoW
 WoW
 
Son1x SciFiBoy sabby_e17 trangentspree
trangentspree
 - No Vote -
 
trangentspree No Lynch
zexen_lowe - No Vote -
WoW axumblade  
Words of Wisdom  hatmoza sabby_e17 Vetteman94
  trashleg trangentspree
 
zexen_lowe hatmoza
sabby_e17 SuperAdrianK
trashleg
- No Vote -  
theRepublic No Lynch Dgc1808 SuperAdrianK trangentspree   Townie
trashleg - No Vote - zexen_lowe - No Vote - - No Vote -   Mafia Corleone
ArkZero hatmoza - No Vote - - No Vote -     Doctor
Vetteman94 No Lynch sabby_e17 SuperAdrianK     Townie
SuperAdriank - No Vote -
 sabby_e17 trangentspree     Townie
lestatdark hatmoza - No Vote -       Mafia Corleone
Dgc1808 hatmoza sabby_e17       Townie
SciFiBoy hatmoza zexen_lowe       Deputy
sabby_e17 darthdevidem01 zexen_lowe       Bus Driver
Seraphic_Sixaxis No Lynch ---
      Mafia Tattaglia
darthdevidem01 Falcon095 ---
      Vigilante
DaBuddahN hatmoza
 ---       Mafia Roleblocker Corleone
dsister44 KingFate
  ---
    Jail Keeper
Final-Fan hatmoza
 ---
    Townie
nen-suer zexen_lowe
 ---

    Mafia Corleone
supermario128  sabby_e17  ---
    Townie
hatmoza No Lynch
---

    Townie


Words Of Wisdom on 08 March 2010

Zexen, Son1x, and Falcon need to vote.



zexen_lowe on 08 March 2010

Since Axum's lynch is happening anyway, I'll vote for who I want to be double lynched with him

Vote: c03n3nj0




trangentspree on 08 March 2010
Words Of Wisdom said:
trangentspree said:

You're the one that invented the stupid 'hide' ability for your role. But you're the SK so you don't need to use an action during the night to protect yourself, you've already got the protection as default. So no, you do not have the alibi that you would like to believe you have.

@ You are desperate for a bandwaggon to pull you out of this aren't you?

No Serial Killer in a vgChartz game has ever been fully nightkill immune and no Serial Killer on mafiascum.net gets both investigation immunity and nightkill immunity.

The "hide" ability wasn't invented by me.  It comes from a variant on the Reporter role where the Reporter has the ability to hide in the news room or investigate.  I was actually a Reporter in a past game (where I successfully got the town to victory).  This is much the same thing, the  differences are that I don't have the consecutive night limitation the Reporter role had and, instead of report ability, I have the watch ability.  The only thing I don't like about my role is the name (because I don't drink).

And of course I don't have an alibi that you'd believe, you're scum and you've got tunnel vision on me.  Nothing I can say will convince you otherwise.

@You're the one that's claiming to have unlimited nightkill immunity, for all we know you may just have a number of hits until you die, and so you're claiming to have unlimited immunity to discourage any other nightkillers from targetting you.

@ The amount of power you are claiming to have to justify your behaviour is ridiculous.



Words Of Wisdom on 08 March 2010
trangentspree said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
trangentspree said:

You're the one that invented the stupid 'hide' ability for your role. But you're the SK so you don't need to use an action during the night to protect yourself, you've already got the protection as default. So no, you do not have the alibi that you would like to believe you have.

@ You are desperate for a bandwaggon to pull you out of this aren't you?

No Serial Killer in a vgChartz game has ever been fully nightkill immune and no Serial Killer on mafiascum.net gets both investigation immunity and nightkill immunity.

The "hide" ability wasn't invented by me.  It comes from a variant on the Reporter role where the Reporter has the ability to hide in the news room or investigate.  I was actually a Reporter in a past game (where I successfully got the town to victory).  This is much the same thing, the  differences are that I don't have the consecutive night limitation the Reporter role had and, instead of report ability, I have the watch ability.  The only thing I don't like about my role is the name (because I don't drink).

And of course I don't have an alibi that you'd believe, you're scum and you've got tunnel vision on me.  Nothing I can say will convince you otherwise.

@You're the one that's claiming to have unlimited nightkill immunity, for all we know you may just have a number of hits until you die, and so you're claiming to have unlimited immunity to discourage any other nightkillers from targetting you.

@ The amount of power you are claiming to have to justify your behaviour is ridiculous.

You might be right.  Clearly the mafia/SK should target me again to make sure.