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drkohler said:
Khuutra said:

Secondly, for a site as clearly transparent as VGChartz, itsi mportant that our adjustments be as transparent as possible. Brett is doing the right thing in being open and clear about the adjustments he's making, because he keeps the integrity of his weekly numbers as much as is possible given his resources.

This is the point where I strongly disagree with you. With such high changes done "overnight", I'd have expected an editorial (or at least a main thread by the owner) explaining in detail what happened. Contrary to this, absolutely nothing was explained. The one explanation (inserted into this thread after xyz pages) that data for certain regions was overtracked for 3-4 years is dubious, at best. We have official shipping numbers from quarterly reports, and we also have the occasional data leaks from GfK which could have been used to raise a red flag. Add to the fact that this site is still giving estimates down to single digits ("77286 XBoxes sold in America last week" is not a meaningful number when doing an estimation, it is a mathematically precise number which is simply false in this context), it does make this site look more professional.

We still agree in principle, I would hope, that the site is better served by simply making adjustments rather than compensating for them over months and willingly presenting knowably false numbers.



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I don't get all this buzz. So the numbers weren't totally accurate, it happens. They were adjusted, to fix the errors. So what's the big deal here? At least they were fixed. :S Isn't that the right thing to do? You should be happy VGC takes the time and effort to provide all this data, and that they fix it when something turns out to be inaccurate. It's not like VGC is some official wordwide tracking company which gets all the latest, entirely accurate sales numbers. Don't whine so much, and stop shouting doom and gloom off the rooftops.



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Hmmmm, people (mostly PS3 fanboys) are complaining about a 4.7% margin of error? Do they know how statistics work? Do they realize that 4.7% error is barely more than Sony's current failure rate for 60gig PS3's (not to mention MS)?

Frankly, 4.7% is damn good for a free tracker with limited resources. If you just can't stand that, when dealing with limited sampling and diverse, volitile markets, adjustments will be made, then maybe this isn't the site for you.



Khuutra said:
drkohler said:
Khuutra said:

Secondly, for a site as clearly transparent as VGChartz, itsi mportant that our adjustments be as transparent as possible. Brett is doing the right thing in being open and clear about the adjustments he's making, because he keeps the integrity of his weekly numbers as much as is possible given his resources.

This is the point where I strongly disagree with you. With such high changes done "overnight", I'd have expected an editorial (or at least a main thread by the owner) explaining in detail what happened. Contrary to this, absolutely nothing was explained. The one explanation (inserted into this thread after xyz pages) that data for certain regions was overtracked for 3-4 years is dubious, at best. We have official shipping numbers from quarterly reports, and we also have the occasional data leaks from GfK which could have been used to raise a red flag. Add to the fact that this site is still giving estimates down to single digits ("77286 XBoxes sold in America last week" is not a meaningful number when doing an estimation, it is a mathematically precise number which is simply false in this context), it does make this site look less professional.

We still agree in principle, I would hope, that the site is better served by simply making adjustments rather than compensating for them over months and willingly presenting knowably false numbers.

Of course we agree.  Numbers have to be adjusted, after the quarterly reports of all involved have come in and leaked "official numbers" show discrepancies. These are the only "reasonably safe" points (assuming channel stuffing levels out over several reports), and a cheesy Nintendo graph does not count as a safe point to adjust values in such drastic ways. (And no, I don't care the least who sells how many consoles. I find it simply interesting that someone is trying to track all this data without having the financial means and/or sources to get safe data points).



ioi said:
Wow at some of these comments, seriously people! Are you all paying $4k per month for this data or something? You do realise it is all estimates and all free and that occasionally some of our assumptions or models aren't perfectly accurate, right?

Don't look at me haha

I think it just that the consoles were adjusted down. If adjusted people would be briefly celebrating and then move on. Plus, the fact that these adjustments concern the PS3/360 makes the rabid people come out of the woodwork.

I honestly don't want to start paying for these anyways................



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I would just like to say that I think that ioi and his team are doing a fantastic job. I´m sure they will adjust the numbers if Sony realeses it´s shipments data and the numbers don´t add up. So all PS3 fanboys please chill out.



Btw, how did it take you this long to realise that you were way out over 3-4 years?



Oh ioi just ignore them haha. Bunch of drama queens anyways. I'm just glad that your main goal is accuracy which some of these guys can't understand. They look at this site for their own system to be treated as a god instead of sales as an unbiased form. Oh well.

I'm glad Nintendo releases all those charts showing all this as they are quite helpful to us and definitely shows trends to help predict the future.



BigBoobieHead said:
Btw, how did it take you this long to realise that you were way out over 3-4 years?

You are really poking the bear with a stick, here

A stick that has poop on it.



And I love the people who call everyone who think a 1.1M error is crap 'Sony fanboys' and tell them to leave the site.