Yeah, MikeB doesn't know a single thing he is talking about, just regurgitating information he has read in playstation forums. Best thing to do is ignore him, because he doesn't understand your logic and reasoning, it means nothing to him. His posts are extremely annoying though, and it is kind of funny to read what he says, since none of it makes sense and almost none of it has any factual basis, which makes people like us cringe when he tries to argue his points.

WEWdeadeye said: Yeah, MikeB doesn't know a single thing he is talking about, just regurgitating information he has read in playstation forums. Best thing to do is ignore him, because he doesn't understand your logic and reasoning, it means nothing to him. His posts are extremely annoying though, and it is kind of funny to read what he says, since none of it makes sense and almost none of it has any factual basis, which makes people like us cringe when he tries to argue his points.

BTW, do you know what my point is? 

LordTheNightKnight said: BTW, do you know what my point is?

Might this be it?

Hmmm?

As a side note, one developer has told us that a 7th gen system was at its limit. Of course, that developer's credibility has long since gone extinct.

LordTheNightKnight said: WEWdeadeye said: Yeah, MikeB doesn't know a single thing he is talking about, just regurgitating information he has read in playstation forums. Best thing to do is ignore him, because he doesn't understand your logic and reasoning, it means nothing to him. His posts are extremely annoying though, and it is kind of funny to read what he says, since none of it makes sense and almost none of it has any factual basis, which makes people like us cringe when he tries to argue his points. BTW, do you know what my point is?

Unless it changed, I was under the impression it had to do with ability for 360/PS3 to output to certain resolutions, and the fact that disc size and packed in HD has absolutely nothing to do with that...which it doesn't. 

WEWdeadeye said: LordTheNightKnight said: WEWdeadeye said: Yeah, MikeB doesn't know a single thing he is talking about, just regurgitating information he has read in playstation forums. Best thing to do is ignore him, because he doesn't understand your logic and reasoning, it means nothing to him. His posts are extremely annoying though, and it is kind of funny to read what he says, since none of it makes sense and almost none of it has any factual basis, which makes people like us cringe when he tries to argue his points. BTW, do you know what my point is? Unless it changed, I was under the impression it had to do with ability for 360/PS3 to output to certain resolutions, and the fact that disc size and packed in HD has absolutely nothing to do with that...which it doesn't.

Yep, aside from the running in circles points he gave. 

@ LordTheNightKnight

My original comment with regard to Microsoft claims weren't regarding the XBox 360 being able to produce 1080p games. It was with regard to Sony and Microsoft making comments with regard to the resolutions future games would be running in. You replied to me as if I was talking about the former.



Why attack Sony for selling a console below actual costs? Are you a shareholder or something?



I disagree, looking at the cell, the low latency high speed XDR RAM, the enormous bandwidth, IMO its a super fast console if tapped into its potential.



I was clearly referring to the sacrifices made in high profile first party exclusives.



Many have. More performance, the SPEs being flexible with regard to being able to greatly facilitate a great diversity of code. More space needed for the long run, developers talked about this to great lenght making comparisons with the PS2's onboard memory.



I said the PS3 has an enormous amount of memory to work with for a console, that's one reason why  some developers will not implement extensive streaming for the immediate future. Future UT3 enigne based games
 could though, considering UT3 allows this already.

They are from a grand perspective.



So? Most PS2 games only rendered in 576i. 720p and 1080p is a huge step upwards to render if you count pixels and there are much higher expectations with regard to qraphics quality. 3 times more isn't that much if you look at when the PS2 launched and compare how much technology has advanced meanwhile.



The most important XBox 360 games are exclusives and it's clear they are making huge sacrifices.



What claims?



Dealing with high res graphics, size is equally important, the XBox 360 was designed for games to use this memory and so its small size becomes a limiting factor.

@ LordTheNightKnight  

Well for example

Gamespot: "Frankly, an hour and a half felt like far too short a time with a demo we probably could have spent all day mining for details."

G4: "The worst part of the demo was that it ended. Having a Konami employee tap you on the shoulder to tell you that your time was up with Metal Gear Solid 4 and asking you to fill out a survey was terrible. We wanted to keep playing dammit!"

Quite a few people have played parts of the game and they say it's running very well already.

Sure it can be depending on the amount and detail and effects you add to the game, note that the sense of speed is greatly important for racing games, you'll drive faster in your Ferrari than you crouch-run in Gears.

MikeB wrote:

To quote Joystiq (was with regard to MMO, but is still quite telling)

"Microsoft says designers can get around the console space issues by offering up lower resolution models and textures"

GTA IV will not be as great of a game as it could have been: