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letsdance on 18 January 2010
jarrod said:
SCE's already in the red roughly a billion dollars for the first half of the fiscal year. This quarter certainly isn't going to help that.


A. this isn't going by FY

B. The 1.3 billion in lost revenue is scattered through those auarters already.



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letsdance on 18 January 2010
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
Dark Chaos said:
letsdance said:
Demotruk said:
So you think their costs in the US declined by $1.3 billion?


in an entire year? Its not out of the realm of possibility.

What kind of response is that??? Be aware that this is only talking about the United States. So I am guessing that Sony has lost more than $2 Billion in revenue worldwide. If you believe that releasing a ps3 slim would reduce costs to that degree(also remember the R&D costs for the slim,psp go,wand) then all hope is lost.


Again... R&D would be spread out through the years... its not like its going to hit them all at once. Ps3 slim R&D was probablly finished with by the 2nd quarter... Everything points in the direction of Cost lowered > Price lowered in ps3 price drop.

Eh, but PS3 slim is still sold at a confirmed loss (with estimates up to $100 per unit) and they're now selling much less on hardware that was actually profitable (PS2, PSP), and software revenue (the real moneymaker) has also gone down total by an alarming amount in the largest national market.  I doubt Q3 financials are going to be that rosy, even with magical "cost cutting".

Id like to see those estimates.



letsdance on 18 January 2010

BTW - In 1 quarter with AC2, U2, MW2, and FF13 sony has probablly made about 400,000,000 million in profit from those games.... 1.3 billion in lost revenue? For 4 quarters? 1.3/4 = 325,000,000.... Hm... I'm sure Sony had released more than 4 games in Q4 of '09...



hkthui on 18 January 2010
letsdance said:

Id like to see those estimates.

 

Google search is your friend. First few links returned by searching "PS3 Slim Loss":

Sony To Sell PS3 Slim At A Loss | Edge Online

Hirai: PS3 Slim sold at a loss, but business profitable overall

Sony Still Sells PlayStation 3 at a Loss – Analysis - X-bit labs



Neos on 18 January 2010
letsdance said:
BTW - In 1 quarter with AC2, U2, MW2, and FF13 sony has probablly made about 400,000,000 million in profit from those games.... 1.3 billion in lost revenue? For 4 quarters? 1.3/4 = 325,000,000.... Hm... I'm sure Sony had released more than 4 games in Q4 of '09...

I didn't know AC2, MW2 and FF13 was made by Sony.



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letsdance on 18 January 2010
hkthui said:
letsdance said:

Id like to see those estimates.

 

Google search is your friend. First few links returned by searching "PS3 Slim Loss":

Sony To Sell PS3 Slim At A Loss | Edge Online

Hirai: PS3 Slim sold at a loss, but business profitable overall

Sony Still Sells PlayStation 3 at a Loss – Analysis - X-bit labs


Thanks... We already knew this... no where in there do I see up to a hundred dollars though. Closest we have is the CFO saying 10 percent... which is far from 100. it's closer to 30...



letsdance on 18 January 2010
Neos said:
letsdance said:
BTW - In 1 quarter with AC2, U2, MW2, and FF13 sony has probablly made about 400,000,000 million in profit from those games.... 1.3 billion in lost revenue? For 4 quarters? 1.3/4 = 325,000,000.... Hm... I'm sure Sony had released more than 4 games in Q4 of '09...

I didn't know AC2, MW2 and FF13 was made by Sony.


They still get like 10 dollars per copy sold. Which... now that you mention it I think I clicked a 2 instead of a 1 on my calculator.

Probablly close to 15 million of those 4 games shipped. Times that by ten. 150 million dollars. U2 is first party probablly shipped like 3 million. We already took 10 dollars away from those three million. So they probablly get close to 25 dollar per copy still. 75 + 150 = $325 million. In one quarter for 4 games.



jarrod on 18 January 2010
letsdance said:
hkthui said:
letsdance said:

Id like to see those estimates.

 

Google search is your friend. First few links returned by searching "PS3 Slim Loss":

Sony To Sell PS3 Slim At A Loss | Edge Online

Hirai: PS3 Slim sold at a loss, but business profitable overall

Sony Still Sells PlayStation 3 at a Loss – Analysis - X-bit labs


Thanks... We already knew this... no where in there do I see up to a hundred dollars though. Closest we have is the CFO saying 10 percent... which is far from 100.

Here's the link to the $100 loss estimate.  It's from Diawa Institute of Research and was reported on TV Tokyo before hitting trade papers.  And yeah, a basic google search would've led you there.

I actually haven't seen any other specific estimates on the confirmed PS3 slim loss though.  I'm curious where you're getting your $30 from, can you give us a source?



Neos on 18 January 2010
letsdance said:
Neos said:
letsdance said:
BTW - In 1 quarter with AC2, U2, MW2, and FF13 sony has probablly made about 400,000,000 million in profit from those games.... 1.3 billion in lost revenue? For 4 quarters? 1.3/4 = 325,000,000.... Hm... I'm sure Sony had released more than 4 games in Q4 of '09...

I didn't know AC2, MW2 and FF13 was made by Sony.


They still get like 10 dollars per copy sold. Which... now that you mention it I think I clicked a 2 instead of a 1 on my calculator.

10 dollars? i think more like 6-7.  The prices would be a lot higher if that was the fact



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letsdance on 18 January 2010
jarrod said:
letsdance said:
hkthui said:
letsdance said:

Id like to see those estimates.

 

Google search is your friend. First few links returned by searching "PS3 Slim Loss":

Sony To Sell PS3 Slim At A Loss | Edge Online

Hirai: PS3 Slim sold at a loss, but business profitable overall

Sony Still Sells PlayStation 3 at a Loss – Analysis - X-bit labs


Thanks... We already knew this... no where in there do I see up to a hundred dollars though. Closest we have is the CFO saying 10 percent... which is far from 100.

Here's the link to the $100 loss estimate.  It's from Diawa Institute of Research and was reported on TV Tokyo before hitting trade papers.  And yeah, a basic google search would've led you there.

I actually haven't seen any other specific estimates on the confirmed PS3 slim loss though.  I'm curious where you're getting your $30 from, can you give us a source?


http://www.joystiq.com/2009/05/15/report-sony-losing-about-40-on-each-ps3/

Sony's Chief Financial Officer.