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jneul said:
if Sony leaves you do realize you will be losing the only company that has ever pushed for technology changes,

Too late for that, we already lost Sega. :(



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jarrod said:
jneul said:
if Sony leaves you do realize you will be losing the only company that has ever pushed for technology changes,

Too late for that, we already lost Sega. :(

Sega did push for changes as well, but Sony is the only one left who seems to be holding that baton right now, if they go well even you shall be sad eventually. I wish Sega would come back as well, I know how you feel



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

Making faster computers or digital formats is not the only means of technological innovation.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

jneul said:
jarrod said:
jneul said:
if Sony leaves you do realize you will be losing the only company that has ever pushed for technology changes,

Too late for that, we already lost Sega. :(

Sega did push for changes as well, but Sony is the only one left who seems to be holding that baton right now, if they go well even you shall be sad eventually. I wish Sega would come back as well, I know how you feel

I dunno, outside Blu-ray's inclusion (which was for strategic positioning as a trojan horse for the format war, not really for games themselves primarily), I'm not really seeing anything in PS3 that's too progressive.  PSP as well, really.   If anything, the interface changes Nintendo brought this gen with DS/Wii are likely the most progressive technology integrations "for games" we've had.

Sony mainly seems to be just following Microsoft's lead with networking, tools, media, too.  PS3 is one big over-engineered response to the Xbox when you get down to it.



Grimes said:

Making faster computers or digital formats is not the only means of technological innovation.

that is not all that Sony has done, come on you know better than that lol. what about cloud computing huh that is just one example i can come up with.

the wii-remote is a unique innovaton, i will give you that one



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

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jarrod said:
jneul said:
jarrod said:
jneul said:
if Sony leaves you do realize you will be losing the only company that has ever pushed for technology changes,

Too late for that, we already lost Sega. :(

Sega did push for changes as well, but Sony is the only one left who seems to be holding that baton right now, if they go well even you shall be sad eventually. I wish Sega would come back as well, I know how you feel

I dunno, outside Blu-ray's inclusion (which was for strategic positioning as a trojan horse for the format war, not really for games themselves primarily), I'm not really seeing anything in PS3 that's too progressive.  PSP as well, really.   If anything, the interface changes Nintendo brought this gen with DS/Wii are likely the most progressive technology integrations "for games" we've had.

Sony mainly seems to be just following Microsoft's lead with networking, tools, media, too.  PS3 is one big over-engineered response to the Xbox when you get down to it.

Every PS has pushed some new form of media, but I remember DVD was not used to it's full potential at first either, one day you shall see all of a BR disk getting filled for most games and not just games like MGS4, so I diagree with the trojan horse part, sorry

Yes but Microsoft are also copying from Sony as well, so things are getting messy right now, but the one thing that makes the PS3 stand out is the unique architecture that the Cell uses, I mean it has caused developers to think in entirely new ways, it is an evolution of coding, and from my point of view, a much needed one.

Anyways i'm tired now, but thanks for the insight, maybe we can talk again bye



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

As sad as I am that Sega is out of the console business, they've made far too many mistakes, unfortunately. Still, they deliver their excellent software, so it's not too bad.



Rockstar: Announce Bully 2 already and make gamers proud!

Kojima: Come out with Project S already!

jneul said:
Grimes said:

Making faster computers or digital formats is not the only means of technological innovation.

that is not all that Sony has done, come on you know better than that lol. what about cloud computing huh that is just one example i can come up with.

the wii-remote is a unique innovaton, i will give you that one

Sony invented cloud computing?



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

jneul said:
tyig said:
jneul said:
Gamerace said:
@jneul - I don't think anyone wants to see Sony die. We're all gaming fans, even if we don't own PS3s. The loss of the Playstation brand would be a dark day in gaming history.

The PS3 is doing considerably better than it was and that's nice to see. However, it's still losing Sony money. The gaming division has been balanced by the profitable PS2 and PSP but those are both in decline, PS2 - the moneycow is in steep decline now. That means Sony is becoming ever more dependant on a money losing machine with just a hope it'll become profitable (it will eventually) and enjoy a long, long life so they can recoop some of those billions lost.

Sony as a whole has always been a profitable company. It's now been losing money, in part due to the PS3. Sony is showing strong commitment to their gaming division but their shareholders may have other ideas if it's continually costing them money.

We will all have a clearer picture soon when they release their financial statement to shareholders. Regardless of sales, MS is making money, Nintendo is making obscene amounts of money and could buy their own country, Sony is going to certainly be in the red. Ironically, even if PS3 was #1 it probably wouldn't change that reality.

Thanks for that, I just feel so down when I see these articles, sorry lol.

Do you think sony could benefit from phasing out the ps2, yes they would lose potential money on new ps3 users(due to production costs), but maybe if they bought plenty of software, you see where i am going on this one hehe?? just wondering....

If not then seriously what is the best option for Sony right now do you think??

The thing is sony gaming division became too big back in the time they were dominating, their model depends heavily on domination, they're doing the right thing by expanding PSN to tv's and others so they can use PS brand to create more profit to the movie studios and TV's I don't think there's much else they can do.

Thanks for clearing that up, I guess your right, I have supported the PS brand since PS1, so it's understandable how they could have gotten so reliable on domination, i mean it's all they are used to since PS1 right. I am glad they have changed things now, and seem to be making good progress

Yeah, Sony relies on the 'Razors and Blades' business model.  IE: Sell the razors at a loss and make money on (overpriced) blades. 

Worked great when they dominated.   Doesn't work so well when you don't.     Sony owned the casual base with the PS2 but they allowed MS to lure them into fighting them on their own domain (PC centric core games like online FPS).   Sony took MS on full bore with the PS3 simply assumed their casual audience would tag along when the price dropped down.   Seemed like a safe bet, until Wii arrived 2 days after PS3 launched and immediately starting taking all the casuals gamers.     Now Sony is stuck in a bloodletting competition with MS for one side of the market while Nintendo is king of the other. 

At this point the best thing Sony can do is survive until next generation while minimizing loses.   I expect the PS4 will be nothing more than two PS3's ducted-taped together with the wand as an integrated part of the controls and they'll drop the blades and razors model and sell consoles at a profit.



 

Grimes said:
jneul said:
Grimes said:

Making faster computers or digital formats is not the only means of technological innovation.

that is not all that Sony has done, come on you know better than that lol. what about cloud computing huh that is just one example i can come up with.

the wii-remote is a unique innovaton, i will give you that one

Sony invented cloud computing?

sorry cloud networking or whatever lol, as far as i know, yes, sorry i was getting tired last night lol

Edit: yeah basically they are planning to offer computer based solutions over a network to you without you requiring powerful hardware, so just imagine being able to play on a HD game without needing a PS3, now you know what I mean, of course it is used for more practical things like now, such as storage, but none the less it shall go that way eventually, as that is what Sony have planned for it, from what I have read.



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1