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_honeybadger_ on 18 January 2010
Raze said:
_honeybadger_ said:
Raze said:
The last 1st party game I bought was Wii Fit, 90% of my game library is 3rd party, if that gives you an idea on my stand.

Of course the WII has many 3rd party games that are pure quality and very good, however the WII fighters dont care about them, they ignore and neglect the support they do get while complaining why imaginary game X doesnt get a main entry on the WII.

I don't get whats so new to people on the issue. Look at the GameCube, didn't get much 3rd party support, but had some great games. Nintendo will never get the 3rd party support Sony gets. There is an ingrained hatred between these fans, almost like a videogame racism. When some of those fans go out into the world and get jobs in the game industry, they carry their bias and refuse to develop games for that specific system. It's all pretty childish.

Why dont these same arguments are used to complain about the DS lack of 3rd party support, I dont agree that theres a Hidden agenda against the WII. I see many games being made and I see the Majority of the WII fanbase being quite Happy with the games available on the system but a small and vocal minority thinks that they are entitled to all the respect and support from 3rd party developers because the WII has sold more than the other system, but they dont do the same for the DS, that has sold even more than the WII.

 

If anything I would say that is that small and vocal minority that shares a hidden agenda.



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_honeybadger_ on 18 January 2010
milkyjoe said:
Did I read someone saying that maybe Nintendo should make an FPS?

The day Nintendo make some generic piece of garbage FPS just to satisfy the grunts that buy into that market, is the day that gaming officially dies.

If thats what you think about those types of games you should tell the other WII gamers not to US.



_honeybadger_ on 18 January 2010
dunno001 said:
gekkokamen said:
@dunno001 why should they put any more effort than what Nintendo does with their own games? You ask nintendo for games and they do what? throw you another one of the SAME bones?


I'm not asking for more effort, I'm asking for a comparable effort. They're assigning B and C teams to making spinoffs. This is not equivilant to Nintendo's AAA efforts. And then those B and C games are released to the market to die- no marketing, no hype, no nothing. They have no right to complain about sales if they're not going to actually try to make a good game, let alone sell it. Of course, like any rule, there are exceptions. Note the exceptions, though; they're all niche games. Some people here complain about the sales on them, but the developers, knowing that they're niche, seem to be happy. Why's that? They may not be AAA games, but they are A games for a niche, and they were marketed to sell.

As for Nintendo, they're not throwing just the same bones like you claim. Yes, there is the NPC line, I won't deny that. But what they are good at doing is throwing like-shaped bones. If we see a Super Mario game, we know what to expect. Likewise with Zelda. Metroid? Check. Those of us who've been around a while know what we are getting. The same can not be said of the 3rd party games on the Wii, due to the sheer number of spinoffs. Oh, and Nintendo's not the only party guilty of throwing out the same bones, some of the 3rd parties do that also. In fact, most 3rd party sequels, not just on the Wii, are more closely linked than Nintendo's sequel "bones". But that's an argument for another thread...

So If Im a A team developer, have gained multiple skill/capabilities to creat and program games for the HD consoles/PC, I would have to take less money, stop moving forward with the Industry and regress just so that I make a game on the WII? that makes total sense.

 

The B an C teams make games for the WII because thats the platform that is more adjusted with their skill set and pay level. Remember Nintendo said that WII games would have lower development Budgets and lower prices, but to achieve those results this is the compromise.



_honeybadger_ on 18 January 2010
Davey1983 said:
I thought I would like to put my two cents in:

I, personally, am not terribly upset with these new announcements of third parties pulling support from the Wii. I am more apathetic-- and that is because when someone like Ubisoft says they are going to release fewer games on the Wii I look at my collection and see that I didn't buy any of there games, so no big loss for me.

However, what irks me is when companies claim they tried to put out good games, and then blame the customers for there games not selling.

First, how is it the customers fault that your games aren't selling? Seriously, these companies need to look at the situation and see why the game isn't selling: is the game niche, just bad, lacking in content, no advertising, whatever. Blaming the customer for not getting it is usually a sign that the company is about to go under.

Second, where is this support they keep claiming they did? EA publishes MW two years after the game came out with no advertising (and then puts MW2 on every platform, including a DS version, except for the Wii). Several companies put third rate efforts on the Wii and then told owners 'this is a test game, buy it and we will give you the real thing' (Capcom was one of the worst offenders in this area). But why should I buy a crappy game?

Using Capcom and their Resident Evil franchise as an example, Capcom put out two games: RE4 and RE:UC and told people they were test games to see if the audience was there. Both games sold over a million. What did Capcom do after this? Capcom then gives Wii owners another on rails shooter (a genre that has never been big, and the Wii has a ton of those games anyway). Why didn't they put a new game in the vain of RE4 on the system? RE4 sold over a million-- it was supposedly one of the test games, and obviously demand is on the Wii for such games. Then, when RE:DC doesn't sell as well as the original, Capcom claims that 'core' games can't sell on the Wii. Here is an idea: put a core game on the Wii before you claim that.

To sum up: I am apathetic about getting less third party support (because that means less crap on the shelf, and less companies complaining about there third string games not selling-- which is somehow my fault when they release crap).
I get annoyed when companies say that they tried and that the audience just isn't there considering I can't think of any company that did try, save for HVS (while the Conduit was an OK game, it had several problems-- but I can't wait for the Grinder), and the upcoming MH3 (which I think is a Capcom game, so this will be there first serious attempt-- over 3 years into the console life).

Does it makes business sense to you to target the less prominent demographic of WII owners with a highly complex and hardcore Game? No it doesnt, the games that the big publishers are currently making is trying to get their WII FIT/WII PLAY type of Hit, you think they are not trying but the fact is that they are not making that game for you, they want the expanded audience. Plain an Simple.



_honeybadger_ on 18 January 2010
Voltaire said:
Hmmm, maybe its because after 3 years on the market, the Wii still has yet to see a AAA game from anyone other than Nintendo? Maybe that has something to do with it.....

Dead Space v Extraction
RE5 v Umbrella/Darkside Chronicles
Modern Warfare 2 v COD Reflex

Just Dance wants to have a word with you.

 

Just Dance. http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/justdance?q=Just%20Dance

Such a great quality title. it must have nintendo like quality, thats the reason it sells like hotcakes.

Accept the fact that the big publishers are making the games on the WII targeting the expanded audience and move on.

With that Im Out.



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LordTheNightKnight on 18 January 2010

Stop post spamming. You have lots of things to reply to, reply to more than one in a single post.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

_honeybadger_ on 18 January 2010
peachbuggy said:
That is a point. This is a Nintendo discussion, yet PS3 owners are commenting in here and stirring things up. If they are not being bitter, what is their purpose for visiting this thread? Perhaps they find it amusing, stirring things up. What reason do they have visiting a Nintendo thread about 3rd parties, otherwise?

Im disscussing here because WII owners are turning every thread and topic into a cesspool of complaints because of the lack of respect they get from 3rd party developers/publishers.



Demotruk on 18 January 2010
_honeybadger_ said:
Voltaire said:
Hmmm, maybe its because after 3 years on the market, the Wii still has yet to see a AAA game from anyone other than Nintendo? Maybe that has something to do with it.....

Dead Space v Extraction
RE5 v Umbrella/Darkside Chronicles
Modern Warfare 2 v COD Reflex

Just Dance wants to have a word with you.

 

Just Dance. http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/justdance?q=Just%20Dance

Such a great quality title. it must have nintendo like quality, thats the reason it sells like hotcakes.

Accept the fact that the big publishers are making the games on the WII targeting the expanded audience and move on.

With that Im Out.

It's selling in the fashion of a break out hit. There are tonnes of dance games on Wii that have failed to do that, including well advertised ones. But I guess the buyers must just be idiots who don't know what they want.



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It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.

_honeybadger_ on 18 January 2010
Demotruk said:
Ok, PSP version makes MH3 look pathetic. So what? It makes Metal Gear Solid 4 look pathetic too, but it doesn't make either into a failure in Japan.

something something apples to orange something something. Metal Gear Solid 4 has sold = to the latest Metal Gear.



_honeybadger_ on 18 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
Stop post spamming. You have lots of things to reply to, reply to more than one in a single post.

the one spamming the thread is you with OFF-TOPIC backseat moderation.