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@lord so you miss the whole point, ok. Your own preconceptions is all you see. Save money, buy a HD system, and enjoy the games. Have a happy life.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
The PSP is less powerful than the Wii, so even that argument isn't fair.

cry moar.

 

unfair argument.

 

unfair.

 

argument.

 

pathetic.



Well, I can tell you why I'm getting more bitter toward the 3rd party companies. Some of them claim to want to support the Wii, but their actions don't show it. Several companies give us (Wii owners) a game with a big name title (Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, etc), but spin it so far from the actual game's fanbase that it's really not the same game genre anymore. So fans of that series aren't going to buy it, because it's not what we want from that name. And you (game companies) just launch it out there, expecting it to sell equivilant to the main line games. Sorry, but you've alienated your core base for the game. It's not going to sell, and when it doesn't hit the absurd numbers you want, you whine about not being able to sell on the Wii.

You aren't willing to spend on Wii games. You spend, what, $5 million making a budget Wii game, be it a bunch of mini games or a spinoff of something else. You then spend $30 million to make some other HD game, properly using the title of the Wii spinoff in the genre its fans know about already. Now both games are ready. Advertising costs $5 million per game. This would double the cost of the Wii game- you won't do that. But you've sunk so much into the HD game cost that what's another $5m to try to get more sales? So you've sent the Wii game out to die. You then bitch about its low sales when you didn't do anything to spread the word of the game like you did the HD version. We can't buy a game we don't know exists.

You talk trash about how the Wii can't do this and that. Many of us got the Wii because it's something different. We don't necessarily need OMG-HD graphics. We want a fun game. But because you're so hung up on the technical stuff, you've forgotten some of what makes games fun. And that's why we play games- for fun. But no, instead of trying to find out what we find fun, you make another low-budget game that's just not fun. So we don't buy it, giving you another game to whine about low sales on.

Seriously, guys, put some effort into your Wii games. You've dug the hole yourselves, so now if you want to sell well on the Wii, you're going to have to do something. Give us what we want- a quality fun game that invokes a different feeling, and we'll buy it. But no, you're too busy whining about poor sales. And why is it you don't hear whining about HD failures? Easy- the company with the failure frequently fades away, or just goes bankrupt. But the Wii's failure cost so little in comparison, that it didn't wreck your company. Never mind the fact that the "failure" may be subsidizing your HD projects.

We're not really a hard bunch to figure out. What we are, is a somewhat different market. Yes, some of the old ideas will still work. But you need to not dumb them down. And for the rest of us, you'll actually need to do some research. You won't do that, though, because it would entail another investment in the Wii, even though the sales potential is just as great as HD for a lower cost. And until you learn what we want, we don't want to hear your whining. We know what the problem is, and it's not us, like you want to believe. It's you.



-dunno001

-On a quest for the truly perfect game; I don't think it exists...

gekkokamen said:

@vaio ^so what are you saying know, you want more shitty games? A question out of full ignorance: is the DS any different with third-party support?

they dont care about the fact that the DS gets less support than the WII from 3rd parties. they are fighting the good fight for the WII only.



steverhcp02 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"So they should give the wii "the games" maybe you should be more clear so i know what the fuck games youre talking about. Is it similar games to the PS3/360? Is it "quality games" whats quality to you?"

Why should it be specific. when I'm asking for support on a large scale? This is about principle, not demands.

So youre argueing about "the games" but refuse to even specify what you want from them, yet feel the need to bitch about them not giving you "the games" you want yet cant even specify what you want? So you dont even know what you want but expect them to produce it.

they want all the games on the WII, its about respect and principles , not logic or context.



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"so MONSTER HUNTER 3 sold less than a 1/3 of what it has sold on the PSP"

No, it sold that amount to one game. The first PSP game is only a few hundred thousand behind.

"Save money, buy a HD system, and enjoy the games."

It's not about me playing those games. It's about the Wii having third party support. There is a difference.

"cry moar.



unfair argument.



unfair.



argument.



pathetic."

This is what it boils down to? If you really could disprove that you would have tried (and trying it now doesn't count since I had to call you on it).



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

@dunno001 why should they put any more effort than what Nintendo does with their own games? You ask nintendo for games and they do what? throw you another one of the SAME bones?



LordTheNightKnight said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort."

They stopped buying those. Did you even pay attention to recent news?

They might have stopped buying those specific games, but they didn't stop buying those type of games.

Top selling Wii games from this weeks top 25 that aren't Nintendo published, and don't feature any Nintendo characters (afaik)...

8. Just Dance
9. MW: Reflex
10. EA Sports Active
11. Your Shape ft. JM
13. LEGO SW
14. Band Hero
15. Deal or no Deal
16. Taiko something
18. NERF NStrike Elite
20. EA Sports Active +
21. Carnival Games Mini Golf
22. Toy Story Mania
24. Random long named Japanese game.
25. Hasbro Family Game Night 2

Did they really stop buying those?

At the level when it showed they preferred those games over everything else.

And Monster Hunter 3 shows the vision can still be done, just with more imagination and talent than just thinking you need the best graphics.

"Fine then, tell Nintendo to make/get you a FPS."

No. The third parties should make the audience themselves. That's what they did on the other systems. Don't give me this bullshit that Nintendo has to make the audience appear.

The third party on PS3 are doing the same thing as Sony does.

Want racing ?

Sony and third party do it ( GT)

Sport ? 

Sony and third party do it (MLB the show)

FPS :

Sony and third party do it ( resistance, KZ2)

Platforming ?

Sony and third party do it (R&C,LBP )

Action/adventure ?

Sony and third party do it (Uncharted)

Hack and slash ?

Sony and third party do it (GoW)

RPG ?

Sony doesn't do it but moneyhat it , third party do it ( WKC, FF)

 

Now what does Nintendo do ?

Mario, Zelda, more Mario, party games, fitness games



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Raze said:
The last 1st party game I bought was Wii Fit, 90% of my game library is 3rd party, if that gives you an idea on my stand.

Of course the WII has many 3rd party games that are pure quality and very good, however the WII fighters dont care about them, they ignore and neglect the support they do get while complaining why imaginary game X doesnt get a main entry on the WII.



_honeybadger_ said:
steverhcp02 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"So they should give the wii "the games" maybe you should be more clear so i know what the fuck games youre talking about. Is it similar games to the PS3/360? Is it "quality games" whats quality to you?"

Why should it be specific. when I'm asking for support on a large scale? This is about principle, not demands.

So youre argueing about "the games" but refuse to even specify what you want from them, yet feel the need to bitch about them not giving you "the games" you want yet cant even specify what you want? So you dont even know what you want but expect them to produce it.

they want all the games on the WII, its about respect and principles , not logic or context.

Bull. It's logical to make games that sell on a system. What they are doing is denying the games that do sell and pretend the games that don't sell were supposed to sell better.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs