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DaBuddahN said:
In theory, most forms of government are perfect. But they will never work perfectly, because we are imperfect beings carrying out the tasks. People can fight about wanting a capitalist utopia, or socialist utopia, but as long as we are humans, we will attain neither.

The problem is half the world wants different things out of a government. You can break everyone down into two categories.

1. To create a world where each year, everyone has the opportunities to live a better life then the life they lived last year.

2. To create a world where each year, everyone is guaranteed a better minimum standard of living then the standard they had the last year.

To achieve either of those, is to sacrifice the other. Until everyone wants the same thing, we will never achieve anything.



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TheRealMafoo said:
DaBuddahN said:
In theory, most forms of government are perfect. But they will never work perfectly, because we are imperfect beings carrying out the tasks. People can fight about wanting a capitalist utopia, or socialist utopia, but as long as we are humans, we will attain neither.

The problem is half the world wants different things out of a government. You can break everyone down into two categories.

1. To create a world where each year, everyone has the opportunities to live a better life then the life they lived last year.

2. To create a world where each year, everyone is guaranteed a better minimum standard of living then the standard they had the last year.

To achieve either of those, is to sacrifice the other. Until everyone wants the same thing, we will never achieve anything.

While you could say that it is a matter of semantics, I have always seen the difference between people who support capitalism and people who support socialism based on how people would define equality. People who are supporters of a more capitalistic economic system tend to favour the concept of equality of opportunity whereas supporters of socialism tend to favour the concept of equality of outcomes. In both cases there is a realization that the ideal outcome can not be met at the current time, but you see their view of equality showing up in issues all the time.

Using education as an example, if you had two students with roughly the same academic record that both wanted to go to University but one was from a wealthy family and the other was from a poor family you would (likely) have to different views of what makes this a fair or equal situation. If there is a way for the poorer student to go to a university which is not too unreasonable (possibly going to a local school while living at home and working with some debt and/or scholarships) then he has the same opportunity for higher education and most people who believe in equality of opportunity would have no problem with this situation. In contrast, someone who believes in equality of outcomes would think that this situation could only be fair if money was no longer a consideration and the poorer student had the same exact access to education as the wealthier student.

 



How. The. Fuck.
Unions were necessary back in the day, but they do no good except to scam in today's ever greedy society.



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

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Obama is prbly just pissed that his transparency is transparent enough to let the public see the Dems shenanigans.

Romney will beat him in '12.



HappySqurriel said:
TheRealMafoo said:
DaBuddahN said:
In theory, most forms of government are perfect. But they will never work perfectly, because we are imperfect beings carrying out the tasks. People can fight about wanting a capitalist utopia, or socialist utopia, but as long as we are humans, we will attain neither.

The problem is half the world wants different things out of a government. You can break everyone down into two categories.

1. To create a world where each year, everyone has the opportunities to live a better life then the life they lived last year.

2. To create a world where each year, everyone is guaranteed a better minimum standard of living then the standard they had the last year.

To achieve either of those, is to sacrifice the other. Until everyone wants the same thing, we will never achieve anything.

While you could say that it is a matter of semantics, I have always seen the difference between people who support capitalism and people who support socialism based on how people would define equality. People who are supporters of a more capitalistic economic system tend to favour the concept of equality of opportunity whereas supporters of socialism tend to favour the concept of equality of outcomes. In both cases there is a realization that the ideal outcome can not be met at the current time, but you see their view of equality showing up in issues all the time.

Using education as an example, if you had two students with roughly the same academic record that both wanted to go to University but one was from a wealthy family and the other was from a poor family you would (likely) have to different views of what makes this a fair or equal situation. If there is a way for the poorer student to go to a university which is not too unreasonable (possibly going to a local school while living at home and working with some debt and/or scholarships) then he has the same opportunity for higher education and most people who believe in equality of opportunity would have no problem with this situation. In contrast, someone who believes in equality of outcomes would think that this situation could only be fair if money was no longer a consideration and the poorer student had the same exact access to education as the wealthier student.

 

Good post, although when I said everyone has the opportunity to live a better life, I meant the poor person has more opportunity each year, and a rich man has more opportunity each year. I did not mean to say they each had the same opportunity, just that each was improved.

 



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The thing is that there will never be a perfect society. There will always be people who can never be pleased. It seems like everyone hates the current administration in lieu of the fact that it is an improvement over the previous one.



My name is blubeard because rosie has a blue beard. Just not on her chest.

Blubeard said:
The thing is that there will never be a perfect society. There will always be people who can never be pleased. It seems like everyone hates the current administration in lieu of the fact that it is an improvement over the previous one.

But that's just it. It's not an improvement over the last one. Take everything you hated about Bush, and look at how Obama has acted with respect to the same issue.

War, Economy, Bank bailouts, Wall Street, Wire tapping, Gitmo.. every one of them are just as bad, if not worse, with Obama then they were with Bush.

Nothing is better today, then it was the day Obama took office... nothing.



I suppose you're right, but complaining on the internet is not a good investment of time by any of us on this issue. The problem nowadays is that even if the candidate is bad nobody is holding the government and it's many deformed feet to the fire.



My name is blubeard because rosie has a blue beard. Just not on her chest.

TheRealMafoo said:
Signalstar said:
wow you are a real one trick pony

 

Yea, this is the basic liberal response of the day. No way in hell they can justify the actions of the people they put in office, so all that's left to do, is attack the people who oppose them.
Care to defend the position of the President, and not just jump my case? Also care to look at how many posts back I have said anything about Obama?

 

Yea, this is the basic liberal response of the day.

 

 

And thats your typical response.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

megaman79 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Signalstar said:
wow you are a real one trick pony

 

Yea, this is the basic liberal response of the day. No way in hell they can justify the actions of the people they put in office, so all that's left to do, is attack the people who oppose them.
Care to defend the position of the President, and not just jump my case? Also care to look at how many posts back I have said anything about Obama?

 

Yea, this is the basic liberal response of the day.

 

 

And thats your typical response.

Umm.. you cut out where I explained myself from my response, while the quote I quoted was the entire post.

How can you change my response, and they it's my typical response?