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Twistedpixel on 05 March 2010
Garcian Smith said:
Twistedpixel said:


Because DirectX 11 adoption may be the fastest in the history of DirectX http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20091211120431_Transition_to_DirectX_11_Will_Be_Fastest_Ever_Analyst.html

In addition to this, someone buying a card today, will probably not upgrade in 18months and with a DX11 card will not have to upgrade nearly as quickly. If it means another 6 months of useful life then the card bought to replace the current card will either be cheaper or more powerful. If price of DX11 card and present performance ratio is close to or equal with previous DX10 card then the 1-2 year prospects will always favour the DX11 card. Only people who are shortsighted or intend to upgrade rapidly will see greater benefit in the DX10 range of cards.

So says... a "graphics market analyst"? Some no-name analyst who may or may not have received industry payola is not an authority on the graphics card market.

The fact is, the remaining ATI DX10 gaming cards (that would be the 4850 and 4770, since everything else has been phased out by this point) have absolutely nothing to match them at their $100 price point. I mean, what are gamers on a budget supposed to buy instead? The 5670? I guess they could pay an extra $40+ for a 5750, but that's only a small performance upgrade from the 4850 for not a small amount of money, and that card isn't good enough to run DX11 games anyway.

And besides that, most intelligent PC gamers (i.e. those who don't try to "future-proof") upgrade their graphics cards about once every 18 months anyway. It saves money and gets you a better product in the long run.

Its an extra $30 for a card which doesn't require a PCI-E 6 pin power adapter, uses far less power both in idle and load and performs slightly better, about 7% on average on current generation games. In addition to this the deals were always going to be temporary, the supply of 48xx cards are discounted for a good reason. As they are moved off the shelves the current mid range cards have been dropping in price to follow suit. BTW most gamers on a budget have lower end screens so they don't exactly need top of the line graphics hardware to push those pixels.

I'd love to see how the HD 5750 isn't fast enough to run DX11 games, indulge me. Theres a scale of implementations from the low end all the way up to the high end, so no it hasn't got anything to do with what DX level is implemented. Even adventure games can be DX11 if the developer were to want that and there are DX9 games like Crysis which make current generation cards cry.



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Killergran on 05 March 2010

Personally, I'd go for a 5000 series card today. Even if it is slightly more expensive, it uses less power and is probably less expensive in the long run. Especially if your computer is on more than 12 hours per day, as mine is.



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Garcian Smith on 05 March 2010
greenmedic88 said:
If you waited 18 months after the debut of each version of Direct X to buy a VGA card, you'd either never buy a new card, or always buy a VGA card about 6-12 months before the next version of Direct X came out.

While it's not particularly intelligent to buy a VGA card specifically for DX11 compatibility when there are only a handful of DX11 games currently available, particularly the enthusiast models that command a premium, it's not particularly intelligent to wait almost until the same card is on the verge of being cut from production either despite the big difference in price unless price was the primary feature being shopped for.

You're missing the point completely. Nobody besides you said anything about specifically avoiding DX11 cards. Instead, you should buy the best price:performane ratio for your budget. If that happens to include DX11 compatibility, great. If not, then it doesn't make much of a difference at this point in time. Period. Now can we stop this argument and get back to helping people with their computer building? :)



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Garcian Smith on 11 March 2010

Bump! Updated the Recommended Builds section.



"'Casual games' are something the 'Game Industry' invented to explain away the Wii success instead of actually listening or looking at what Nintendo did. There is no 'casual strategy' from Nintendo. 'Accessible strategy', yes, but ‘casual gamers’ is just the 'Game Industry''s polite way of saying what they feel: 'retarded gamers'."

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nordlead on 11 March 2010

Ok, I just finished my build and I ended up going up from what I originally planned due to newegg canceling the combo's I wanted and adding new ones that brought the cost back down to what I thought was reasonable.

I have 1 question though, I'm running a AMD Regor 2.8GHz and it usually sits at ~30C with stock cooler, but the Mobo is typically ~40C. Is this normal (CPU being cooler)? I haven't checked temperatures on a system in forever and in my mind it makes more sense for the CPU to be hotter.

As for the setup, it is

MoBo - ASUS 785g AM3 socket MicroATX
CPU - AMD Regor 2.8GHz
Mem - OCZ 2x1GB DDR3 1333
HDD - some old WD 200GB SATA drive
DVD - some cheap sony DVD drive
PSU - 380W Earthwatts
Case - Hec 6T MicroATX case with stock fan
OS - Windows 7 64-bit

I know the integrated graphics is the weak part of my setup, but this is for HTPC purposes and I've already run it and it runs great. I also just realized I have my memory plugged in improperly so it is only using single channel. I'll have to go fix that

I'm also thinking about swapping out my PSU with one of these DC/DC converters. - http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=55153 - Someone had a similar setup for a HTPC and with a 38W idle. The lower power supply is more efficient and moves some of the heat out of the case. It is also quieter with no fans so that is a plus, however the 380W Earthwatts is incredibly quite too.




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nordlead on 11 March 2010

oh, and this may be of interest to those who build powerful rigs and don't want to blow out their eardrums.

http://tech.icrontic.com/articles/pc_airflow_heat_cooling_guide/




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Garcian Smith on 11 March 2010
nordlead said:

I have 1 question though, I'm running a AMD Regor 2.8GHz and it usually sits at ~30C with stock cooler, but the Mobo is typically ~40C. Is this normal (CPU being cooler)? I haven't checked temperatures on a system in forever and in my mind it makes more sense for the CPU to be hotter.

I'm not terribly familiar with mobo temperatures, but 40C is practically frosty for any component in your PC without any aftermarket cooling. You don't need to worry about it at all.



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Vetteman94 on 21 March 2010

I cant believe this thread seems to be dying,  you should really ask for a mod or an admin to sticky this thread,  its extremely useful.   Also I dont want to burden you too much but could you update the builds again,  a few of the parts are no longer available on newegg, and I dont know enough to look for an equivilent.   Also the motherboard you have listed for the More power box is micro ATX?   is that correct?



Jereel Hunter on 30 March 2010
Vetteman94 said:

I cant believe this thread seems to be dying,  you should really ask for a mod or an admin to sticky this thread,  its extremely useful.   Also I dont want to burden you too much but could you update the builds again,  a few of the parts are no longer available on newegg, and I dont know enough to look for an equivilent.   Also the motherboard you have listed for the More power box is micro ATX?   is that correct?

I agree, this thread should stick around, and hopefully be updated periodically... I'm planning to build a new gaming PC within the next month (or two at most).



Squilliam on 31 March 2010

You can get an HD 5850 for $30 off which is $290 with free shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150477



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