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Theo said:
I really like the silky smoothness of MW2, and the pop-up rewards for everything from the thud thud thud noises as your bullets land true, and the +10 or whatever for when you get a kill.

In Killzone 2, it was always behind by half a second, so you'd second guess whether you got the kill or not until you heard the bleeep noise. On-screen rewards need to be synched up properly, it's like bad dubbing in a movie.

But I'm lookin forward to MAG, a game that feels much more like a battle rather than a chaotic brawl. Matches that involve headset team-work and organisation, without it you're lost. And not being spawn killed also, that's quite nice.

I think that was more of a latency issue and why playing with people from overseas can be a pain in this department (even worse is clan matches against a high pinged team. The clan will rip you apart while your shots hardly have an effect).

However, it's different when shooting at somebody playing in the same country. Instead of a big delay, it's practically instant. Still, nothing beats the hilarity of shooting at somebody to no effect while he turns around and pops you with a headshot only to hear the headshot chirp come out of nowehere with your rightful kill 20 seconds later.

It's also great when your flying bot or sentry turret gets a headshot especially when there's no other sounds going on around you so the headshot chirp gets to ring out.

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As for the lag in MAG, the only issues I saw were jumps where, for example, you left your spawn, but then you'd suddenly appear back in the spawn. If you want something to compare it to, it's similar to what happens when you play Diablo 2 online. The other issue is from individual people who are lagging so you'll see their character having a seizure and shaking like crazy just like you might see from somebody lagging when they die in Counter-Strike.



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snyperdud said:
FKNetwork said:
MAG = FAIL
The beta was terrible, one of the worst FPS's I have played this gen

Care to elaborate? 

He can't elaborate, because its very likely he never actually played the beta.  FKNetwork is a 360 fanatic.

Honestly I think that anyone who actually played the beta for any significant amount of time liked the game a lot.  Almost everyone who "disliked it" can barely put together a decent description as to why they disliked it, outside of some generic "the graphics were bad" (they're not -- and Eurogamer's Digital Foundry agrees, even after only the first beta, and they are pretty thorough), or "the guns were weak" (they're not, unless you're totally dependant on an auto-aim assist landing a zillion shots in a row for you, like in CoD) which is pretty telling.  

Anyone who gave it just one or two games, and then shelved it, wasn't really interested in the first place -- every MP game I have ever played has a good number of "good" and "bad" matches, thanks to -- you guessed it -- the players in the match.  If you only try a couple matches, you weren't really giving the game (ANY game) a fair shake.

The same can be said for BF:BC2, MW2, KZ2, Halo 3/ODST/whatever, etc.



 

He has a lot of good points here. I think Call of duty is the much better game even though a lot of things about it piss me right off such as:

1. Camping (especially with fartbeat sensors or shotguns)
2. Akimbo model 1887 (ridiculous power and range for a shotgun)
3. The knifing system is completely broken. In close range situations you're better off knifing people then using a gun. Even if I hit him 3 times with my AK he'll still lunge across the room and knife me.
4. Care package running with Marathon/Lightweight/commando. Doing this is better then having a gun.
5. Getting killed by an enemy when on my screen I've already gotten around a corner. I understand there's a slight delay due to people having faster internet connections but this gets real annoying when you've already rounded a corner but on his screen you're still out in the open.

I could go on all day about things that annoy me in Cod, but at the end of the day its still one of, if not, the best shooter out there.



Chairman-Mao said:
He has a lot of good points here. I think Call of duty is the much better game even though a lot of things about it piss me right off such as:

1. Camping (especially with fartbeat sensors or shotguns)
2. Akimbo model 1887 (ridiculous power and range for a shotgun)
3. The knifing system is completely broken. In close range situations you're better off knifing people then using a gun. Even if I hit him 3 times with my AK he'll still lunge across the room and knife me.
4. Care package running with Marathon/Lightweight/commando. Doing this is better then having a gun.
5. Getting killed by an enemy when on my screen I've already gotten around a corner. I understand there's a slight delay due to people having faster internet connections but this gets real annoying when you've already rounded a corner but on his screen you're still out in the open.

I could go on all day about things that annoy me in Cod, but at the end of the day its still one of, if not, the best shooter out there.

man I wish I was more like you.



Procrastinato said:
snyperdud said:
FKNetwork said:
MAG = FAIL
The beta was terrible, one of the worst FPS's I have played this gen

Care to elaborate? 

He can't elaborate, because its very likely he never actually played the beta.  FKNetwork is a 360 fanatic.

Honestly I think that anyone who actually played the beta for any significant amount of time liked the game a lot.  Almost everyone who "disliked it" can barely put together a decent description as to why they disliked it, outside of some generic "the graphics were bad" (they're not -- and Eurogamer's Digital Foundry agrees, even after only the first beta, and they are pretty thorough), or "the guns were weak" (they're not, unless you're totally dependant on an auto-aim assist landing a zillion shots in a row for you, like in CoD) which is pretty telling.  

Anyone who gave it just one or two games, and then shelved it, wasn't really interested in the first place -- every MP game I have ever played has a good number of "good" and "bad" matches, thanks to -- you guessed it -- the players in the match.  If you only try a couple matches, you weren't really giving the game (ANY game) a fair shake.

The same can be said for BF:BC2, MW2, KZ2, Halo 3/ODST/whatever, etc.

Absolute bollo*ks, I own all the current gen consoles and although I'm not a fan of the wii I actually like the PS3, just because I don't like MAG doesn't mean i'm a 360 fanboy lol.

The game is rubbish, well, the beta was anyway, I played for a good 3-5 hours and I can honestly say it is one of the worst FPS's I have played this generation, also, go and look at most of the previews and hand on articles on the major gaming sites, none of them are impressed, ign, eurogamer, 1up aren't impressed at all.

 

25 seconds to respawn is a huge fail too considering it takes ages to get back into the action as the maps are so big (and bland), the sound is poor too, and a whole clip to kill someone, hardly relistic when one shot in real life would usually kill someone, since when do guns sound like tin cans? the time it takes to actually start a game too, wow!



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Which beta have you played ? The closed beta ?

I could join a game as quickly as with KZ2 and 25 seconds wait for respawn ? The respawn is in waves so you will be respawned in groups thats safer. And it is nothing unusual. It adds even a tactical point because that gives the dominating group more time to complete their orders. I cant see this as a disadvantage. 

 



Netyaroze said:

Which beta have you played ? The closed beta ?

I could join a game as quickly as with KZ2 and 25 seconds wait for respawn ? The respawn is in waves so you will be respawned in groups thats safer. And it is nothing unusual. It adds even a tactical point because that gives the dominating group more time to complete their orders. I cant see this as a disadvantage. 

 

Not to mention that since it's in waves, you're not waiting 15-20 seconds everytime you die. You could die and go back to the spawn screen with only two or three seconds before the next spawn.

If somebody wants to call one of the worst FPS games this generation, then that's their opinion. It's my opinion that they're opinion is wrong (though I am in no way saying that it's one of the best FPS games this generation). They're not cut out for MAG and I'm glad that I won't have to listen to that person kicking and screaming everytime they die whenever I get my hands on the game.

If you want something more realistic, play Red Orchestra or HL2 mod Insurgency on the PC. You don't get any sort of crosshairs and your weapon moves around on the screen like a Wii game (as in it's not locked to the center of the screen), there's no indicators on where you're getting shot from, you can die in one or two hits, and the same amount of hits applies for friendly fire too.



FKNetwork said:
Procrastinato said:
snyperdud said:
FKNetwork said:
MAG = FAIL
The beta was terrible, one of the worst FPS's I have played this gen

Care to elaborate? 

He can't elaborate, because its very likely he never actually played the beta.  FKNetwork is a 360 fanatic.

Honestly I think that anyone who actually played the beta for any significant amount of time liked the game a lot.  Almost everyone who "disliked it" can barely put together a decent description as to why they disliked it, outside of some generic "the graphics were bad" (they're not -- and Eurogamer's Digital Foundry agrees, even after only the first beta, and they are pretty thorough), or "the guns were weak" (they're not, unless you're totally dependant on an auto-aim assist landing a zillion shots in a row for you, like in CoD) which is pretty telling.  

Anyone who gave it just one or two games, and then shelved it, wasn't really interested in the first place -- every MP game I have ever played has a good number of "good" and "bad" matches, thanks to -- you guessed it -- the players in the match.  If you only try a couple matches, you weren't really giving the game (ANY game) a fair shake.

The same can be said for BF:BC2, MW2, KZ2, Halo 3/ODST/whatever, etc.

Absolute bollo*ks, I own all the current gen consoles and although I'm not a fan of the wii I actually like the PS3, just because I don't like MAG doesn't mean i'm a 360 fanboy lol.

The game is rubbish, well, the beta was anyway, I played for a good 3-5 hours and I can honestly say it is one of the worst FPS's I have played this generation, also, go and look at most of the previews and hand on articles on the major gaming sites, none of them are impressed, ign, eurogamer, 1up aren't impressed at all.

 

25 seconds to respawn is a huge fail too considering it takes ages to get back into the action as the maps are so big (and bland), the sound is poor too, and a whole clip to kill someone, hardly relistic when one shot in real life would usually kill someone, since when do guns sound like tin cans? the time it takes to actually start a game too, wow!

 

I think you just verified that you didn't play the open beta at all.  The recent comments by IGN, after they played for about a half hour it seems, were about the only bad thing I've ever read about it, via the media.  I've never seen a respawn take longer than 18 seconds, and usually its far less (I would wager about 9 seconds on average, since the respawn timer is constantly spawning waves), one shot kills aren't found in almost ANY FPS every made, because, well, that wouldn't be very fun.  Frankly, its not overly realistic either, unless you're talking about really large caliber hits.  5.56mm ammo is notorious for not stopping the enemy easily, when they are fired up on battlefield adrenaline.  I also found the battlefield audio fantastic in 5.1 surround...  maybe I'd need some little headphones, or some laptop speakers and then it might be poor.  I wouldn't blame the game, though.  I did play long enough to make it to the battlefields with the airstrikes, mortar strikes, turret emplacements, etc..

On top of that, I can't ever recall waiting more than a few seconds to play a match in the open beta, and I logged a good 10+ hours.  I don't believe you ever played the game, sir, or if you did, you're addressing concerns that have vanished since the time when you played it.

You should certainly follow your own advice and avoid it, however -- it obviously didn't strike a chord with you at all if you did play.  I don't think you can speak for anyone else, however.  We all had the opportunity to try it out, thanks to the open beta.  Reviews of the game are hardly even needed, at this point.



 

darklich13 said:
There is no auto aim in Multiplayer for MW2, only SpecOps and Single Player

In case no one corrected you yet, yes there is HUGE auto aim in multiplayer.  It's always screwing me over too by locking on to the wrong person when I'm trying to shoot someone else.



nightsurge said:
darklich13 said:
There is no auto aim in Multiplayer for MW2, only SpecOps and Single Player

In case no one corrected you yet, yes there is HUGE auto aim in multiplayer.  It's always screwing me over too by locking on to the wrong person when I'm trying to shoot someone else.


wow ....

I never played CoD game (god know why my PC can't handle CoD4 demo)

but I can't believe CoD possess an autoaim function ... it is clear to me, now, why they call it "noob FPS"



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