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TheRealMafoo said:
appolose said:
TheRealMafoo said:
appolose said:

Is this the quote in question? "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."

My initial understanding of this quote would seem to suggest that she was rather suggesting that we not proceed without a headnod from God, as it were, which is rather opposite of what you fear.  What's more, I think what she was more hinting at is that we were to ensure that that this war was good and just (at least, within my own Christian experiences, that's often an implication).

Also, I doubt Congress would go along with the president in an act of war should such a situation arise,  nor do I know if Palin is one to go around insisting others believe her own prophetic messages (certainly, the Bible demands rather rigorous tests for such people), and if she could not provide any evidence of it, perhaps (if she's clear thinking), she would not proclaim it.

 

No, just after seeing a lot of things she had said.. makes me not trust her ability to recognize realty from religion. I am not saying anyone else needs to share my views about this, it's just how I feel. Some people just creep me out, and she is one of them.

But you would agree with me in principle, yes (I am unable to watch the videos at this time, so I cannot comment on her much more)?

Sorry, but I don't agree with your evaluation of that quote.

If our nations leaders are sending our soldiers out on a task that is from God, who is calling the shots? I would say based on the quote, she feels the top authority in the choices our Government makes, is God.

Let me ask you this. Let's say she was our president, and a bill came before her desk, and the people and constitution said we should pass it, but in her mind, God would be against it.

How do you think she would vote? With the people, or with God. I myself, think she would go with what she thinks God tells her to do.

Just my opinion.


I would expect (as per my own evaluation of that quote and of my own Christian experiences) is that she would need quite a bit of validation of such a feeling before thinking of proceeding with it.  Otherwise, she would probably choose on a moral basis.  But that's my evaluation.

What I meant by in principle was that if you agreed with what I said in regards to non-crazy religious people, not necessarily Palin.



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TheRealMafoo said:
Why are we still debating this? Not even sure what we are debating anymore.

You said I have no reason to believe that other then my experiences, and I agreed.

what's your point? Are you arguing that I should have been more clear in my nut job statement, and added "imo" to the front of it? I can go back and add that if it makes you feel better.

In a discussion I make it a point to try and address every point made.

A slight correction to this post however: My position is that you have no reason to believe about her as you do other than your 'gut feeling', not your "experiences".  A subtle but important difference.

As for the point of the overall discussion, we would have to go back to you on that one.  You actually replied to me first.  As for the general path of the conversation which it seemed I was pushing more than you, the point was that you, like many others, base your dislike/disapproval/etc.. of Palin on very very little, or in this case essentially nothing.

And yes I realize you've agreed that this is the case, which takes me to the first line of this post.  I was wrapping up the last few points I hadn't yet addressed. So barring some newly raised issue, it does seem we have wrapped everything up.



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appolose said:
TheRealMafoo said:
appolose said:
TheRealMafoo said:
appolose said:

Is this the quote in question? "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."

My initial understanding of this quote would seem to suggest that she was rather suggesting that we not proceed without a headnod from God, as it were, which is rather opposite of what you fear.  What's more, I think what she was more hinting at is that we were to ensure that that this war was good and just (at least, within my own Christian experiences, that's often an implication).

Also, I doubt Congress would go along with the president in an act of war should such a situation arise,  nor do I know if Palin is one to go around insisting others believe her own prophetic messages (certainly, the Bible demands rather rigorous tests for such people), and if she could not provide any evidence of it, perhaps (if she's clear thinking), she would not proclaim it.

 

No, just after seeing a lot of things she had said.. makes me not trust her ability to recognize realty from religion. I am not saying anyone else needs to share my views about this, it's just how I feel. Some people just creep me out, and she is one of them.

But you would agree with me in principle, yes (I am unable to watch the videos at this time, so I cannot comment on her much more)?

Sorry, but I don't agree with your evaluation of that quote.

If our nations leaders are sending our soldiers out on a task that is from God, who is calling the shots? I would say based on the quote, she feels the top authority in the choices our Government makes, is God.

Let me ask you this. Let's say she was our president, and a bill came before her desk, and the people and constitution said we should pass it, but in her mind, God would be against it.

How do you think she would vote? With the people, or with God. I myself, think she would go with what she thinks God tells her to do.

Just my opinion.


I would expect (as per my own evaluation of that quote and of my own Christian experiences) is that she would need quite a bit of validation of such a feeling before thinking of proceeding with it.  Otherwise, she would probably choose on a moral basis.  But that's my evaluation.

What I meant by in principle was that if you agreed with what I said in regards to non-crazy religious people, not necessarily Palin.

I would think 95% of all Christians would make the same choice you would, just not her. I also think you would have not said what she said. You would have probably worded it differently. Most people would talk about it from the position of the soldiers. That god has a plan for everyone, and god will watch over them. Saying that the leaders are sending them out on a task from god is a little strange.



TheRealMafoo said:
appolose said:
TheRealMafoo said:
appolose said:
TheRealMafoo said:
appolose said:

Is this the quote in question? "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."

My initial understanding of this quote would seem to suggest that she was rather suggesting that we not proceed without a headnod from God, as it were, which is rather opposite of what you fear.  What's more, I think what she was more hinting at is that we were to ensure that that this war was good and just (at least, within my own Christian experiences, that's often an implication).

Also, I doubt Congress would go along with the president in an act of war should such a situation arise,  nor do I know if Palin is one to go around insisting others believe her own prophetic messages (certainly, the Bible demands rather rigorous tests for such people), and if she could not provide any evidence of it, perhaps (if she's clear thinking), she would not proclaim it.

 

No, just after seeing a lot of things she had said.. makes me not trust her ability to recognize realty from religion. I am not saying anyone else needs to share my views about this, it's just how I feel. Some people just creep me out, and she is one of them.

But you would agree with me in principle, yes (I am unable to watch the videos at this time, so I cannot comment on her much more)?

Sorry, but I don't agree with your evaluation of that quote.

If our nations leaders are sending our soldiers out on a task that is from God, who is calling the shots? I would say based on the quote, she feels the top authority in the choices our Government makes, is God.

Let me ask you this. Let's say she was our president, and a bill came before her desk, and the people and constitution said we should pass it, but in her mind, God would be against it.

How do you think she would vote? With the people, or with God. I myself, think she would go with what she thinks God tells her to do.

Just my opinion.


I would expect (as per my own evaluation of that quote and of my own Christian experiences) is that she would need quite a bit of validation of such a feeling before thinking of proceeding with it.  Otherwise, she would probably choose on a moral basis.  But that's my evaluation.

What I meant by in principle was that if you agreed with what I said in regards to non-crazy religious people, not necessarily Palin.

I would think 95% of all Christians would make the same choice you would, just not her. I also think you would have not said what she said. You would have probably worded it differently. Most people would talk about it from the position of the soldiers. That god has a plan for everyone, and god will watch over them. Saying that the leaders are sending them out on a task from god is a little strange.

So, apart from our divergent interpretation of her quote, we seem to agree that Christians in general are generally not any less capable than any one else (which, as it appears, is what you and sqrl settled upon).

I suppose I was attempting to discern your position on that matter.



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theprof00 said:

Too many people allow the Bible to dictate to them, whereas a large population of both our own, and other religions using the Bible, urge the masses that the Bible is simply a metaphorical text intended to help us lead better lives.

umm... rofl?

Instead of ranting, I will simply say this: Aside from direct prayer, the Bible IS the sole source of guidance in Christianity; it's God's Word. Any self-respecting Christian can tell you that. So there's nothing crazy or wrong or delusional about a Christian holding it in the highest regard, above all else. It's so much more than a mere "metaphorical text intended to help us lead better lives."



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bimmylee said:

theprof00 said:

Too many people allow the Bible to dictate to them, whereas a large population of both our own, and other religions using the Bible, urge the masses that the Bible is simply a metaphorical text intended to help us lead better lives.

umm... rofl?

Instead of ranting, I will simply say this: Aside from direct prayer, the Bible IS the sole source of guidance in Christianity; it's God's Word. Any self-respecting Christian can tell you that. So there's nothing crazy or wrong or delusional about a Christian holding it in the highest regard, above all else. It's so much more than a mere "metaphorical text intended to help us lead better lives."

From viewpoints other than fundamentalist Christianity it's perfectly valid to think 100% belief in the bible is delusional.

Or I guess I should say, it's logical in the sense it's a part of being a good Christian, especially if you're a baptist or some other sect that follows the bible strictly. It's illogical in the sense that non-Christians simply believe differently. To us, it's just another piece of historical fiction. To us, it's like you believe 100% in, oh let's say, the Harry Potter series. Wouldn't you think someone who strictly believes in Harry Potter is delusional?

 




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chenguo4 said:
bimmylee said:

theprof00 said:

Too many people allow the Bible to dictate to them, whereas a large population of both our own, and other religions using the Bible, urge the masses that the Bible is simply a metaphorical text intended to help us lead better lives.

umm... rofl?

Instead of ranting, I will simply say this: Aside from direct prayer, the Bible IS the sole source of guidance in Christianity; it's God's Word. Any self-respecting Christian can tell you that. So there's nothing crazy or wrong or delusional about a Christian holding it in the highest regard, above all else. It's so much more than a mere "metaphorical text intended to help us lead better lives."

From viewpoints other than fundamentalist Christianity it's perfectly valid to think 100% belief in the bible is delusional.

Or I guess I should say, it's logical in the sense it's a part of being a good Christian, especially if you're a baptist or some other sect that follows the bible strictly. It's illogical in the sense that non-Christians simply believe differently. To us, it's just another piece of historical fiction. To us, it's like you believe 100% in, oh let's say, the Harry Potter series. Wouldn't you think someone who strictly believes in Harry Potter is delusional?

 

So you're comparing the most-sold, most-spread, most-translated, most-read, most-cherished, and most-hated book of all time to... Harry Potter?

Interesting.



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Rath said:
If she became the presidential candidate it would essentially doom the republicans to another four years of a Democrat president.

I thought that at first too...

However she polls really well with Independents.  It's actually kinda scary.

 



bimmylee said:
chenguo4 said:
bimmylee said:

theprof00 said:

Too many people allow the Bible to dictate to them, whereas a large population of both our own, and other religions using the Bible, urge the masses that the Bible is simply a metaphorical text intended to help us lead better lives.

umm... rofl?

Instead of ranting, I will simply say this: Aside from direct prayer, the Bible IS the sole source of guidance in Christianity; it's God's Word. Any self-respecting Christian can tell you that. So there's nothing crazy or wrong or delusional about a Christian holding it in the highest regard, above all else. It's so much more than a mere "metaphorical text intended to help us lead better lives."

From viewpoints other than fundamentalist Christianity it's perfectly valid to think 100% belief in the bible is delusional.

Or I guess I should say, it's logical in the sense it's a part of being a good Christian, especially if you're a baptist or some other sect that follows the bible strictly. It's illogical in the sense that non-Christians simply believe differently. To us, it's just another piece of historical fiction. To us, it's like you believe 100% in, oh let's say, the Harry Potter series. Wouldn't you think someone who strictly believes in Harry Potter is delusional?

 

So you're comparing the most-sold, most-spread, most-translated, most-read, most-cherished, and most-hated book of all time to... Harry Potter?

Interesting.

He's comparing the contents, not it's role in history. And if you're not a Christian, then both books seem quite beyond belief.



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TheRealMafoo said:
damkira said:

@Sqrl

Actually, you'll find that the words "Under God" were never originally part of the pledge of allegiance. They were added in 1954.

Its ok that you or I didn't know that, but for someone who could possibly have been president it shows a dangerous lack of knowledge of American history.. add that the same person thought Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11 and doesn't understand why there is a North and South Korea and you have someone who would severely embarrass this country in the eyes of the world. Her lack of knowledge won't, however, hinder her career as a Fox News commentator at all.

 

Same with "in god we trust"

in fact, if you read the Bill of Rights, Constitution, and Articles of Confederation, the word God does not show up anywhere.

Our founding fathers would be very much against god being on our money or in a national song.

 

Well they were mostly deists anyway.