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Sqrl on 12 January 2010
TheRealMafoo said:

I have nothing other then my gut feeling that she is a religious radical.

My point exactly.

TheRealMafoo said:
I posted two videos. What more do you want?

And your right. I have nothing other then my gut feeling that she is a religious radical. Why I am not trying to convince anyone else of it. It's just how I feel, and I have every right to feel that way.

I don't take issue with you thinking I am wrong about her bring radical. I take issue with you suggesting that the way I feel about her reflects on how I feel about anyone religious.

How I feel about her is how I feel about anyone who is a religious radical. I put very few people in that category.

 As for the videos: Those videos show, if anything, how normal she is.  Back when they were released over a year ago I got a good laugh out of how frightened those who have very little experience with formal religious settings were by it.  But the truth is people fear and mistrust things they don't fully understand.  Perhaps you have some experience with it, but your experience is different, but even so the main point stays the same...those videos do more to make my point that she is normal than your point that she is a radical (hell she doesn't even talk in the first one).

As for your opinion.  I have never once said you weren't entitled to the opinion.  But if you're going to post it then I'm entitled to challenge it and you to challenge my opinion.  In this case what I was driving at was that you weren't actually basing your view of her on anything beyond a gut feeling.
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TheRealMafoo on 12 January 2010
Sqrl said:
TheRealMafoo said:

I have nothing other then my gut feeling that she is a religious radical.

My point exactly.

TheRealMafoo said:
I posted two videos. What more do you want?

And your right. I have nothing other then my gut feeling that she is a religious radical. Why I am not trying to convince anyone else of it. It's just how I feel, and I have every right to feel that way.

I don't take issue with you thinking I am wrong about her bring radical. I take issue with you suggesting that the way I feel about her reflects on how I feel about anyone religious.

How I feel about her is how I feel about anyone who is a religious radical. I put very few people in that category.

 As for the videos: Those videos show, if anything, how normal she is.  Back when they were released over a year ago I got a good laugh out of how frightened those who have very little experience with formal religious settings were by it.  But the truth is people fear and mistrust things they don't fully understand.  Perhaps you have some experience with it, but your experience is different, but even so the main point stays the same...those videos do more to make my point that she is normal than your point that she is a radical (hell she doesn't even talk in the first one).

As for your opinion.  I have never once said you weren't entitled to the opinion.  But if you're going to post it then I'm entitled to challenge it and you to challenge my opinion.  In this case what I was driving at was that you weren't actually basing your view of her on anything beyond a gut feeling.

And I never stated that I was.

BTW: I have read the Bible, and been to church hundreds of times. Not sure I would consider my position one of "very little experience" or "things they don't fully understand".

I am not an atheist due to lack of exposure, that's for sure.



Sqrl on 12 January 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
Sqrl said:
TheRealMafoo said:

I have nothing other then my gut feeling that she is a religious radical.

My point exactly.

TheRealMafoo said:
I posted two videos. What more do you want?

And your right. I have nothing other then my gut feeling that she is a religious radical. Why I am not trying to convince anyone else of it. It's just how I feel, and I have every right to feel that way.

I don't take issue with you thinking I am wrong about her bring radical. I take issue with you suggesting that the way I feel about her reflects on how I feel about anyone religious.

How I feel about her is how I feel about anyone who is a religious radical. I put very few people in that category.

 As for the videos: Those videos show, if anything, how normal she is.  Back when they were released over a year ago I got a good laugh out of how frightened those who have very little experience with formal religious settings were by it.  But the truth is people fear and mistrust things they don't fully understand.  Perhaps you have some experience with it, but your experience is different, but even so the main point stays the same...those videos do more to make my point that she is normal than your point that she is a radical (hell she doesn't even talk in the first one).

As for your opinion.  I have never once said you weren't entitled to the opinion.  But if you're going to post it then I'm entitled to challenge it and you to challenge my opinion.  In this case what I was driving at was that you weren't actually basing your view of her on anything beyond a gut feeling.

And I never stated that I was.

BTW: I have read the Bible, and been to church hundreds of times. Not sure I would consider my position one of "very little experience" or "things they don't fully understand".

I am not an atheist due to lack of exposure, that's for sure.

See the bolded part in regards to your experience.
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Sqrl on 13 January 2010
TheRealMafoo said:

And I never stated that I was.

Not explicitly no, but you did make statements about your opinion with unqualified certainty:

TheRealMafoo said:

She is a religious nut job.

(This was the entire paragraph.)

 
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TheRealMafoo on 13 January 2010

Why are we still debating this? Not even sure what we are debating anymore.

You said I have no reason to believe that other then my experiences, and I agreed.

what's your point? Are you arguing that I should have been more clear in my nut job statement, and added "imo" to the front of it? I can go back and add that if it makes you feel better.



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Tyrannical on 13 January 2010

Palin is still smoking hot......



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appolose on 13 January 2010
TheRealMafoo said:
appolose said:
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Sqrl said:
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Sqrl said:

I do find it somewhat odd that being religious is such a strike against her for yourself (and others).  It would seem to me refreshing that a politician would be dedicated to a set of morals and beliefs that you could rely on them following (or use against them if they don't).  This tells you what you are getting before you ever cast your vote and what to expect once they take office.

I NEVER want a leader of anything I am a part of make a choice, and justify it with "because that's the way god would have wanted it".

I feel this would be something she would do.

This is pure silliness. You are plainly advocating that rather than judge an idea on its merits you will blindly dismiss it purely for its source. 

This is the definition of an obtuse worldview.

 

It’s not a world view opinion, it’s a Sarah Palin opinion. Let’s say Obama woke up in the middle of the night and wondered to the kitchen to get a cookie. When he entered the kitchen, god appeared before him and told him to attack Iran. That he wanted to save Israel, and he had chosen Obama as the instrument to do such a thing.
If that happened to Obama, he would seek medical attention. If it happened to Palin, she would attack a nation.
My opinion and why I don’t want her as my leader.

 

It’s not a world view opinion, it’s a Sarah Palin opinion. Let’s say Obama woke up in the middle of the night and wondered to the kitchen to get a cookie. When he entered the kitchen, god appeared before him and told him to attack Iran. That he wanted to save Israel, and he had chosen Obama as the instrument to do such a thing.

If that happened to Obama, he would seek medical attention. If it happened to Palin, she would attack a nation.

My opinion and why I don’t want her as my leader.

 

 

Is this the quote in question? "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."

My initial understanding of this quote would seem to suggest that she was rather suggesting that we not proceed without a headnod from God, as it were, which is rather opposite of what you fear.  What's more, I think what she was more hinting at is that we were to ensure that that this war was good and just (at least, within my own Christian experiences, that's often an implication).

Also, I doubt Congress would go along with the president in an act of war should such a situation arise,  nor do I know if Palin is one to go around insisting others believe her own prophetic messages (certainly, the Bible demands rather rigorous tests for such people), and if she could not provide any evidence of it, perhaps (if she's clear thinking), she would not proclaim it.

 

No, just after seeing a lot of things she had said.. makes me not trust her ability to recognize realty from religion. I am not saying anyone else needs to share my views about this, it's just how I feel. Some people just creep me out, and she is one of them.

 

But you would agree with me in principle, yes (I am unable to watch the videos at this time, so I cannot comment on her much more)?



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TheRealMafoo on 13 January 2010
appolose said:
TheRealMafoo said:
appolose said:

Is this the quote in question? "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's will."

My initial understanding of this quote would seem to suggest that she was rather suggesting that we not proceed without a headnod from God, as it were, which is rather opposite of what you fear.  What's more, I think what she was more hinting at is that we were to ensure that that this war was good and just (at least, within my own Christian experiences, that's often an implication).

Also, I doubt Congress would go along with the president in an act of war should such a situation arise,  nor do I know if Palin is one to go around insisting others believe her own prophetic messages (certainly, the Bible demands rather rigorous tests for such people), and if she could not provide any evidence of it, perhaps (if she's clear thinking), she would not proclaim it.

 

No, just after seeing a lot of things she had said.. makes me not trust her ability to recognize realty from religion. I am not saying anyone else needs to share my views about this, it's just how I feel. Some people just creep me out, and she is one of them.

But you would agree with me in principle, yes (I am unable to watch the videos at this time, so I cannot comment on her much more)?

Sorry, but I don't agree with your evaluation of that quote.

If our nations leaders are sending our soldiers out on a task that is from God, who is calling the shots? I would say based on the quote, she feels the top authority in the choices our Government makes, is God.

Let me ask you this. Let's say she was our president, and a bill came before her desk, and the people and constitution said we should pass it, but in her mind, God would be against it.

How do you think she would vote? With the people, or with God. I myself, think she would go with what she thinks God tells her to do.

Just my opinion.



theprof00 on 13 January 2010

My problem with religion and religious leaders is twofold.

I will first preface this by saying that anyone can be a great leader. It doesn't matter what ideology someone subscribes to. However, there are two glaring problems that I see here:

1) Religion was developed as a means of controlling the populace. It was the first crime-stopping force. It was not developed by any government (for the most part) but by the people and groups of people who came together and eventually became a kind of governing entity, which collected taxes (tithing) and provided social benefits to its members who stayed in line. Although religion was developed by numerous people, it is lead by very few powerful religious elites. Throughout time, history has shown numerous precedents of people using religion in harmful ways. The crusades, Jihad, Benny Hinn, Ireland, mormon and fundamentalist cults allowing pedophelia, mass suicides (murder) etc etc.

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Now I'm not saying that all religious people are bad, or that Sarah Palin is bad. I'm just saying that I don't trust people who are in a position of power who also claim strong religious ties. It is too deadly a combination. Let the religious elite control religion and let the politicians control politics and government. The reason being that it is far too easy to turn sway public opinion through religion. Want to go to war but the people will be against it? Just subtly throw it in there that this is part of "a bigger plan (for us)"- "killing good Christian Americans" - etcetc.

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Secondly, I don't trust religious people because they pick and choose what to abide by and what not to abide by. For instance, the Bible says that you can't tattoo your body or deface it in any way. The Bible also says to give tithing to the holy people, and that church is the least effective way of servitude. In many places in the Bible, the church is almost outright condemned. It's just a corrupt system entirely.



Sardauk on 13 January 2010

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